23-12-2004 04:45									#1
	Should I get PTW and/or C3C ? Suffering from ads?

I have had Civ3 for about 2 years now and love it. (I also played and loved Civ1 and Civ2 but never CtP or SMAC or others.) I have been playing with the 1.29f patch the whole time. BUT, I have never bothered to acquire or investigate Play the World or Conquests. Should I just keep having fun with "vanilla" Civ3, and wait for cIV to come out, or should I get C3C? If I get C3C, should I even bother with PTW? I also do a minor amount of modding/map creation. Thanks.

	23-12-2004 04:46									#2
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(unrelated)
I'm also looking for a moderator to help me to change my user name to "Holy" (capitalized). Don't think I can send private messages and not sure which tags under the names indicate moderators. Thanks.

	23-12-2004 05:32									#3
	Got spare money?

IIRC Conquests already have PTW bundled so just get Conquests and you will have both.

The question here is do you want the latest patch or the one before that - seems that some players prefer the patch before the latest one due to some issues.

As for name change, try PMing Ming. You should be able to do so.

	23-12-2004 10:38									#4
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C3C, no doubt (for me, at least)

	23-12-2004 11:06									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus IIRC Conquests already have PTW bundled so just get Conquests and you will have both.

Yep. Either buy Conquests or buy neither; no use for PTW now.

As for whether you should buy it - it definitely enhances the game. If you like Civ3 enough you'll be playing it for a while (or until CIV comes out, anyway ) I would recommend it.

quote: Originally posted by Barinthus The question here is do you want the latest patch or the one before that - seems that some players prefer the patch before the latest one due to some issues.

? Only issue I know of is that 1.15 (second to last patch) can't be upgraded to 1.22 (latest patch), necessitating a duel install if you're in a 1.15 PBEM. I don't know of a reason to have 1.15 if you don't need it for PBEMs, though.

	23-12-2004 16:39									#6
	Tired of ads?

Go for Conquests. If you find out anything about login change, tell me about it, I'm interested too.

	23-12-2004 20:51									#7
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You should be able to Private Message Ming.

Look for a post by Ming (easily found in off topic or maybe civ2 sections), look for an icon above his post (the help delay will show which one is which), and send a private message.

Or use the email feature (another icon above his post), that will work just as well.

edit: I am using Firefox, so I don't have the help delay. Private message is the second icon from the left. The left-most one being user profile.

	23-12-2004 20:53									#8
	Got spare money?

Weren't there some issues regarding bugs where people preferred PTW over conquests?

Either way I recommend buying Conquests and not PTW. I don't believe the rule changes are significant enough to worry about the other version imho.

If you enjoy civ3, then I would expect you to enjoy Conquests as well. But you may not get much out of the scenarios. You'd probably enjoy the epic games more. The best feature is the agricultural trait. A pretty cool trait. The seafaring trait is cool too. Becuase it makes some factions like England and Portugal more realistic. Although seafaring seemed underpowered to me, I never choose it. But that's because naval power is underpowered in this game.

	23-12-2004 21:22									#9
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Agriculture is so over powered that it's almost like playing one dificulty level lower with it than without.

Actually, while seafaring in the hands of the AI is often unpowered, in human hands it's somewhat overpowered on all but Pangena maps. My own 8 Human Player MP game I'm hosting (and playing in) features 4 Seafaring Civs on a random large map random barbs. No one is playing a Miltary nor a Religious civ. I suspect that the map generator gave me the worst type of map for the civ I chose, (a large portion of what I've explored in my starting landmass is like "So Cold")

Seafaring civs affective have a Free Magelleon's Voyage from turn 1. And half normal sinking odds. [AI doesn't take any advantage of the lower sinking odds, it just notes it's still > 0] It just uses the fact that it's Curraghs can go 3 MP.

Even on Pangena, a seafaring civ can use thier faster curraghs to make contact with those on the far side of Pangena faster than most civs. (All but the expansionist civs.)

Also note that Portugal is perfectly balanced between seafaring and expanionist. Plus a version of the Caravel that won't sink in ocean pre-Navigation. As Portugual, you should be the first civ with all contacts on any map.

The Incans (Agr + Expanionstic + Scout replacement UU] is peferatly designed for a fast start. If they don't stumble in early game from bad map or bad decisions, they can hold this lead thoughout the rest of the game.

England's UU is kind of like the Borg; all your ships will be reoutfited to become Men of War!

	23-12-2004 21:40									#10
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After C3C, I never went back to PTW, except for on ongoing pbem game that is 2 years old.

The lastest patch (1.22) is the only way to go. It is not flawless, but is the best we have.

	23-12-2004 23:11									#11
	Suffering from ads?

Oh, and btw, once you switch to C3C, start using the AU Mod.

	24-12-2004 10:12									#12
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by Dissident Weren't there some issues regarding bugs where people preferred PTW over conquests?

The main one was the barbarian problem. This is fixed by editing the .ini file to change the NoAIPatrol flag to "0" if you have Conquests.

The only other true bug (submarines causing inadvertant wars) has been around for a while, hasn't it?

	24-12-2004 10:15									#13
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Yes that has been here all along. Some people did not like the resource issue in C3C and other did not like FP when it came out. It has been address some what with the patch.

	24-12-2004 14:13									#14
	Got spare money?

conquests includes PTW.
You don't need to find a post by ming, you can use go to user-control (link above every page) and in that to 'private messages'. In that say: "new private message" and adress it to Ming.

But, Ming has found you already since your name has been changed already. Now I'm obviously curious to what your name was

	24-12-2004 14:38									#15
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http://www.apolyton.net/forums/priv...age&userid=6411

Say, 'Hi, Ming.'

Ask to have your username changed.

In future, you can go Control Panel (link near the top, to the right of the Poly logo) Private Messaging (towards the right) New Message (should be a button) Recipient should be Ming (if you want your user name changed, notyoueither or whoever else if you just want to tell someone to go get stuffed).

	27-12-2004 05:25									#16
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy conquests includes PTW. You don't need to find a post by ming, you can use go to user-control (link above every page) and in that to 'private messages'. In that say: "new private message" and adress it to Ming. But, Ming has found you already since your name has been changed already. Now I'm obviously curious to what your name was

Thanks for the tips and also thanks for the link, notyoueither. CyberShy, you must be looking at someone else's name because mine hasn't been changed yet, at least not at the time of your post. I'm just trying to get it capitalized which I forgot to do when I registered just a few weeks ago. I don't think I've ever been on Apolyton before unless it was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away!

	27-12-2004 18:34									#17
	Suffering from ads?

Yep C3C includes PtW.

If you are interested we have long standing intrasite demo games for PtW.

and a long standing intersite game for PtW, as well as a intersite game for C3C.

Just look under Demo games in this Civ III section.