27-12-2004 06:05									#1
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I'm actually not seeing anything new that wasn't polled before, and so am planning on continuing the policies set by the vote of the previous administration with one exception:

Trade buys: Price of these techs have crashed since the last administration and so I'm planning on an advisory poll on that issue. Still, Greece is currently our only option to buy them.

This will be on the poll.

Forming new cities: I'm not seeing any more "settle west" sites at this juncture, but am still seeing quite a few "settle east" sites.

I don't see a need to poll on this, unless someone sees city sites that aren't east.

Please post here if you see any big issues.

I've given some minor orders for this turn already:

1. Rearanged the work force in Rome to cut a turn of the build of the Bacrilla. (Now 5 turns, so it will complete during my administration. )

2. Several Court Houses & Market Places rushed. (Short-rushed via Heavy Calvary in our more productive cities.) This will cut turns off builds in those cities / increase our taxes, and in a few cases help with happiness.

PS: I'll probably post the poll Tuesday evening my time (US Eastern because I'm out of town, that is -05:00)

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	27-12-2004 06:10									#2
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this sounds prudent, I do ask what of the redeeming value of entertainment for the senatorial ruling party

	27-12-2004 15:09									#3
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There is still space left to the west. I know it won't be productive, but with Walls and Temples everywhere, we can take a lot of land with relatively few cities (very wide spacing, counting on border expansions). The space left to the north-east is so far, it won't be productive either. Think about all the land, Emperor.

	27-12-2004 17:40									#4
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Yes expand..But be prudent

	27-12-2004 17:57									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Yes expand..But be prudent

We have a good base for that, because of free Walls in every continental city. The places far from Italy won't do much good anyway, so they can be built on hills, in locations that aren't exactly ideal for growth. They would act as forts, to control the territory. A few Legions can build the Roads without endangering Workers. Garrisons can keep the population at bay. Cavalry can act as mobile response to any threats, once Roads are ready. I think it's worth a try, especially in the west, where we plan to stop hostilities anyway.

	27-12-2004 20:03									#6
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I believe current plan is no peace with Carthage until they surrender both the Southern city in Carthagian island and all cities in Carthagian Taurus.

But if this in dispute, I'd be happy to also post a poll for the desired 20 turn cease fire conditions with Carthage:

1. Cease Fire Now / right after current turn attacks
2. Not until it includes Southern Corscia
3. Not until they give the cheaper tech for free.
4. Not until we get a MGL to use for our FP
5. Not until it includes all Carhigan Spain
6. Not until it includes all of Cathigan Spain

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	27-12-2004 20:41									#7
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We must prepare for war with the Macedons shortly. They are occupying land that should be Roman

	28-12-2004 00:48									#8
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That issue was voted down in the previous administration.
Things have not changed significantly IMHO to revisit now; might be an issue for the next administration.

quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 We must prepare for war with the Macedons shortly. They are occupying land that should be Roman

	28-12-2004 01:03									#9
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Hmm, I guess senator Aqualungs loud voice made me believe we wanted to make peace with Carthage. I don't think we need to stop their extermination, not until Spain is Roman.

I still claim we can settle to the west, but I'm not sure we can do it now, before Carthage is driven into the sea. Emperor, do you think we can wage war on Carthage, and keep settling that region at the same time? Or would it require more Legions, than are available?

	28-12-2004 01:14									#10
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I think there are 2 citizens heading west. One of them should settle near the celtics border to cut them off from more expansion. I'm sure they have at least one settler in Spain and maybe they are planning more cities there.
The northern part of Spain is still unsettled and even unexplored. We may claim it as part of our way to the victory.

	28-12-2004 07:07									#11
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Well, I'm planning on putting a vote on what victory conditions we require for a 20 turn cease fire with the Carthigans.

I'm planning on voting options 2 & 5 myself. [Clear Southern Corsica & Spain]

On the citizens in route anywhere, I plan to keep them going wherever the previous Emperor sent; I do plan to send new citizens to settle wherever it can be safety done and am seeing many more such places both just north and just east of our current borders than west at the moment due to the active war with Carthage.

	28-12-2004 07:36									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 We have a good base for that, because of free Walls in every continental city. The places far from Italy won't do much good anyway, so they can be built on hills, in locations that aren't exactly ideal for growth. They would act as forts, to control the territory. A few Legions can build the Roads without endangering Workers. Garrisons can keep the population at bay. Cavalry can act as mobile response to any threats, once Roads are ready. I think it's worth a try, especially in the west, where we plan to stop hostilities anyway.

This makes sense..great plan and support for the plan to come to fruition

	28-12-2004 07:43									#13
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quote: Originally posted by ormuzd I think there are 2 citizens heading west. One of them should settle near the celtics border to cut them off from more expansion. I'm sure they have at least one settler in Spain and maybe they are planning more cities there. The northern part of Spain is still unsettled and even unexplored. We may claim it as part of our way to the victory.

Claim part of Spain is a decent idea we should at least ponder.

A Spanish Outpost would help..even if we later find it necessary to abandon..

Are we set up for troop reinforcement?

I hate to set it up and lose it..

I would like to see some picture of Spanish entertainment options as well..for the dignitaries we will entertain.. OF COURSE!

	29-12-2004 14:47									#14
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I vote for taking all of Spain and then the westernmost city in Northern Africa before asking for a ceasefire. We can take the 20 turns to move troops into northern Africa for an eastward blitzkrieg.

	30-12-2004 04:00									#15
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I'm voting for finishing up the conquest of Spain. As stated before by Senator Modo, it's an excellent landgrab opertunity. After that, I think it'd be prudent for our legions to turn again toward those pesky Celts up north...

	31-12-2004 00:23									#16
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I tihnk Masuro is right - we should set our foot in Africa too if we want to get the land for the victory

	31-12-2004 07:19									#17
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hmm..please lets not get too far flung...temperence is a valid stance to take

	31-12-2004 16:45									#18
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The Celts lands are closer and far more ripe for the picking than Africa can ever be !!

We should settle with Carthage before we commence on another war and it would be better to target the Celts than the Greeks. The Greeks will help keep the Persians at bay until were stronger and ready to tackle them ourselves

	01-01-2005 00:42									#19
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Movement orders for first turn resulted in:

Capturing Neo Carthage with the Army.

Killing a few Carthigan units in Spain & Northern Corsica, including one of their galleys there.

Founding the city in Crete. Defenders moved to that city.

The bad news : The empty Galley in Create was sunk when it attacked the Persian Galley.

Carthage will now give the two smallest cities in Spain in exchange for a cease fire.

The previous emperor did not have an active move on those settlers in route somewhere, guess I'll have to figure out where to send them myself.

	01-01-2005 02:31									#20
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	01-01-2005 13:25									#21
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I did not have an idea for he exact location. I wanted to move them somewhere in Spain around the Celts border

	01-01-2005 19:55									#22
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Make a decision and dun look back Oh Great one

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Log:
180 BC Captured Carthago Nova

175 BC nothing interesting

170 BC:
1. Peace with Scythia : Including us giving them WM and them giving us 100 gold

2. Peace with Egypt : They gave us their WM + 99 gold

3. Sold WM to Egypt for Medicine & 84 gold

4. Sold Wine to the Goths : Our WM + 164 gold

5. Buy WM form Scythia : Our WM + wine + 80 gold

6. Sell WM to Celts : Their WM + 87 gold

7. Sell update WM to Scythia : 2 gold

8. Sell update WM to Goths : 95 gold

9. Sell WM to Macedon : 102 gold

10. Sell update WM to Egypt : 102 gold

11. Embassys established with Celts, Goths, Scythians

12. Malaca captured

165 BC : Lake Palmyra founded [4-7-7 Lost Dreams]

Between turns

Celts & Cathigans ally against Macedonias

Celts declare war on Macedonias

Goths and Macedonians sign peace treaty

Macedonias capture Caralis [Southern Corscia] from Carthgage

160 BC : Olives & Silver founded (7-7-7-7 Russicade)

Stolen Wine founded (4-4-7 Massilla)


Peace with Persia : Includes them giving us WM + 153 gold for our WM)

Buy Monotheism from Egypt : Iron + Wine + Our WM + 34 gold

We are Technology Advanced!

155 BC Baccrilla Built in Roma

State of Economy:
Running 9.0.1 +464 gold per turn
(Next emperor should be able to switch to 10.0.0 soon)

Victory Status:
7% WA (2nd) Persia 1st at 8%
18% WP (2nd) Persia 1st at 22%

Our score is 3324 (4th)

	02-01-2005 00:58									#24
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Note to the new emperor:

I had a citizen in route to the Fish Pennisula. (Currently on the hill)

Scythia Army trespassing is probably in route to attack the nearby Celt city.

Carthigan Heavy Calvary was bypased in favor of bringing up the capture of Carmonia. (Not quite taken yet.) The Carhigans have their own Fire Catapult there.

A Legionary III is on the Dyes in Cyprus with the intention of roading it. (Was much faster to rush Harbor and Leg III than build a worker)

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	02-01-2005 01:11									#25
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whom is the new Emperor?

Just asking, as I know I dont fit the criteria...

Gramps

	02-01-2005 01:19									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll whom is the new Emperor? Just asking, as I know I dont fit the criteria... Gramps

See the Great Roll of Emperors thread.

And if you want to become Emperor one day, you can also sign up there and be placed at the end of the list.

	02-01-2005 01:22									#27
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quote: Originally posted by ormuzd I did not have an idea for he exact location. I wanted to move them somewhere in Spain around the Celts border

Celts beat me to the location you probably intended. I founded it in a good location that also keeps us from being mostly cut off by the Celts. (Olives & Silver)

	02-01-2005 01:38									#28
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn See the Great Roll of Emperors thread. And if you want to become Emperor one day, you can also sign up there and be placed at the end of the list.

Oh no I prefer to support and critique