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The thing I loathed in AOTC was the pathetic attempt to show the beginning of the fall of Anakin to the dark side. I've seen better script writing in TV series or grade B horror flicks. He comes off as a spoiled brat, not a future dark Jedi master. The scene of him giving into his rage is pathetic. Plus the light sabre wielding gymnast Yoda. I felt like I was in bad Muppet Movie, "Jedi Master innn Space....".
Then the whole midi-chlorinans. Leave it as mystic fantasy, versus Star Trekesque pseudo-science. Puke. Plus, remember the one rule for all great films. "It's the script, stupid." Given a good script and a good director, you only need competent actors for a decent film, maybe even a good film. With a poor script, even the best actor can only make it less painful to watch.
At least we all agree, Jar-Jar must be one of the great all time fubars in the history of script writing. The Ewoks were cute and annoying. Jar-Jar was obnoxious at best, and managed to destroy every scene he was in. Didn't ANYBODY pre-screen the film who was over twelve?
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The Potterverse
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Many have commented that the reason the original Star Wars trilogy worked was the chemistry of the three main actors. Looking at the results of the newest films, which are devoid of chemistry, lends credence to that IMHO. |
I disagree. I think what John said holds up. It was new and different and, in addition, the idea of a small rebellion going up against the biggest badest Empire, led by so-cool Darth Vader and WINNING because of this mystical force made for something fun and interesting. That storyline allowed the acting and directing to suck and still succeed.
The prequals are how a democratic Republic devolves into the Empire and how easy it is to slide into the Dark Side. It's something that requires nuance, as opposed to rebels against overwhelming odds. Lucas can't do that type of nuance to explain how everything goes over the edge.
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He comes off as a spoiled brat, not a future dark Jedi master |
I think being a spoiled brat is a very good way to become a Sith Lord. It shows that you only care for yourself and your own feelings. These can be capitalized on to make you more powerful in the force by feeding on your anger and sense of marginalization.
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BEST. SCENE. EVER.
I loved it. You'd have to think that Yoda couldn't do crap with a lightsaber, because, well, he's a muppet. He's leaping, striking form is a great way to have him fight in lightsaber duels (after all, he has to, seeing as how the lightsaber is integral to the Jedi).
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LDiCesare
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Jan 2001
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Star Wars dominates in movies and on TV but not in books. Space opera is not really SF, and it's a very marginal part of SF. But people here have been talking about TV and cinema mostly, maybe because you are less disappointed when you read a book than when you watch movies?
I couldn't find the Russian adaptation of Solaris. The American one missed a lot of things (including the most important) but I still found it an interesting movie.
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Jon Miller
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books are way better than TV or movies
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books are way better than TV or movies
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That would explain why most of the disappointments are movies.
Books that have been converted to movies at that.
Huejj,
At least people are not arguing about which is better ST or SW. Damn, I should'nt have said anything!
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by LDiCesare
Star Wars dominates in movies and on TV but not in books. Space opera is not really SF, and it's a very marginal part of SF. But people here have been talking about TV and cinema mostly, maybe because you are less disappointed when you read a book than when you watch movies? |
Books are more personal, and you can easily stop reading a bad book, more esily than walking out of a bad movie. PLus there are just SO many book, and SO many stiles.
In terms of "disappointments" when it comes to books, The later of the Rama series were not that spectacular- thought still OK. I read authors, and most of the time, once I find one I like, they are pretty consistent- thought, for example, with Brin, his Earth did not hold my interest as much as his Uplift novels, and Sundiver, the first Uplift novel is not as good as the later ones.
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I couldn't find the Russian adaptation of Solaris. The American one missed a lot of things (including the most important) but I still found it an interesting movie. |
You couldn't? its out in DVD, at least in a North American version.
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001
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You couldn't? its out in DVD, at least in a North American version. |
I didn't find it in stores or on amazon. Should have tried some video clubs. I'll be looking for it again.
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Methinks that there are too many yes men hanging around Skywalker Ranch. |
That's assuming he even asks for opinions, which I don't think he does.
I try to accept these things (Star Wars et al) for what they offer without bemoaning their weaknesses.
It is kind of amusing how much people love to vent about their hated/fav/ruined/whatever fictional movies/tv/books. (I don't exclude myself.)
If we each spent as much time doing volunteer work, the world would be a little better, no? How much time a week or month do you communicate (on computer, water cooler chat, phone) about fictional stuff?
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