06-01-2005 07:44									#241
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quote: How come you're on here Ben? I thought you would be busy fuming at your television, given that the Morgentaler movie is on tonight.

Eh, I'll get it word for word tomorrow. I'm not much for TV other than for football, since I find it hard to hear.

How is his legacy shaping up?

quote: Have you written an outraged letter of complaint yet?

Sealed and delivered.

	06-01-2005 07:47									#242
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quote: but that one party systems make decisions with less delay.

I would think they do. Why do you think they are slower?

	06-01-2005 07:48									#243
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Again, the test is meant to be general. If it suited you guys, most people wouldn't see the questions as relevant and wouldn't take the test.

So some of the questions are just to impress stupid people? I still want to know about how answers to the questions determine what you are politically. Do they tell you?

	06-01-2005 07:49									#244
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I would think they do. Why do you think they are slower?

I don't. That's my point. Just because you think one party systems are faster, doesn't mean you think they are better or worse.

	06-01-2005 07:57									#245
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quote: Sealed and delivered.

[scots]I never doubted ye, laddie!![/scots]

	06-01-2005 08:17									#246
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Economic Left/Right: -9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33

I'm not too surprised by my left/right, but I thought I was less libertarian. Hell, I don't even like libertarians.

	06-01-2005 11:51									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo What happened to you? You turned your back on America, and now this? A long time ago, I remember you as someone who was logical and had a decent thought process, then you slide off into the illogical part of the map on a side where people don't use common logic. Your economic views can't work.

Why do you continue to support a group of people that continually discriminate against you >

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How could he throw commies out of helocopters if he weren't a fascist?

	06-01-2005 13:23									#249
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Why do you continue to support a group of people that continually discriminate against you >

How can you continue to support a group of people who discriminate against americans and want a lot of them dead?

	06-01-2005 13:27									#250
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quote: I don't. That's my point. Just because you think one party systems are faster, doesn't mean you think they are better or worse.

That's sort of the point.

Do you value efficiency over public discourse?

It seems obvious to me.

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quote: I never doubted ye, laddie!!

Aye, t'was indeed a fine rant.

	06-01-2005 14:24									#252
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There is no way BK is more libertarian then me. No way in hell.

	06-01-2005 19:57									#253
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo There is no way BK is more libertarian then me. No way in hell.

Why not?

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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Economic Left/Right: -9.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33 I'm not too surprised by my left/right, but I thought I was less libertarian. Hell, I don't even like libertarians.

You misunderstand the term. Social Libertarians are those who support civil liberties and human rights, not the really stupid US anarcho-capitalists who call themselves Libertarian.

You don't like Libertarians because they are right-wing economically, not because they are sometimes libertarian socially.

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Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87

Go Ghandi go!!

	06-01-2005 23:23									#256
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quote: This is a stupid question. That is an advantage of a one-party state, but it's not an advocation of one.

I disagree, it's one of the few disadvantages of the one-party state. For example, take China under Mao and the Great Leap Forward. Do you think it would've happened if there would've been any lengthy arguments in the three branches of goverment (all directly under control of Mao then)?

Kucinich, very good points there.

	07-01-2005 01:17									#257
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi That's sort of the point. Do you value efficiency over public discourse? It seems obvious to me.

Neither of those things are nearly as important as good policy. The question should determine if you think one party systems make better or worse policy.

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quote: There is no way BK is more libertarian then me. No way in hell.

We can go over this, question by question, and you'll see why this is.

	07-01-2005 02:05									#259
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That's an interesting question, Kid.

Do you agree with this statement:

"One party systems produce superior policies."

	07-01-2005 03:28									#260
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quote: How can you continue to support a group of people who discriminate against americans and want a lot of them dead?

Because I want them dead too?

	07-01-2005 03:31									#261
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Again, the test is meant to be general. If it suited you guys, most people wouldn't see the questions as relevant and wouldn't take the test.

People wouldn't see the relevence of "Do you support laws against sex out of wedlock?"

	07-01-2005 03:38									#262
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quote: People wouldn't see the relevence of "Do you support laws against sex out of wedlock?"

Of course they would, just as they would see the relevance of the other questions. Even if they didn't it doesn't matter for the accuracy of the test.

	07-01-2005 03:48									#263
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi That's an interesting question, Kid. Do you agree with this statement: "One party systems produce superior policies."

Nope

	07-01-2005 06:44									#264
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious How could he throw commies out of helocopters if he weren't a fascist?

That's standard practice for commies/socialists if those thrown out are of another faction than his own.

	07-01-2005 06:51									#265
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious quote: There is one big flaw in this. It demands that decisions made by a one-party state are the right ones, but history has proven well that that isn't the case - quite opposite. With democracy there are at least a chance to stop the worst mistakes. No. It assumes that neither one party systems or multiparty systems come to better decisions, but that one party systems make decisions with less delay.

Disagree. Wether you are a onepartyjunkie or ekstremist democrat and don't want to lie, you has to agree to the statement which probably will make you something like a totalitarian marxist which doesn't make sense for the ekstremist democrat. Therefore the question must implicitly state that those desicions made by a one-party state also are the right.

edit : damn quotes.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: People wouldn't see the relevence of "Do you support laws against sex out of wedlock?" Of course they would, just as they would see the relevance of the other questions. Even if they didn't it doesn't matter for the accuracy of the test.

Except in one case you're asking about things that are statistically correlated with their ideology, and in the other case your asking them WHAT THEIR IDEOLOGY IS (or a small part of it). So yes, it's more accurate.

	07-01-2005 14:48									#267
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi We can go over this, question by question, and you'll see why this is.

I'm neutral on abortion, am pro-gay marriage, and do not care about sex outside of marriage. I just don't see how you can be anymore socially libertarian then me.

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quote: Originally posted by St Leo You misunderstand the term. Social Libertarians are those who support civil liberties and human rights, not the really stupid US anarcho-capitalists who call themselves Libertarian.

That definition is different from every political science book I've ever read.

	07-01-2005 19:01									#269
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo I'm neutral on abortion, am pro-gay marriage, and do not care about sex outside of marriage. I just don't see how you can be anymore socially libertarian then me.

One could be, for example, favourable or strongly favourable to abortion rights, instead of being merely neutral?

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor One could be, for example, favourable or strongly favourable to abortion rights, instead of being merely neutral?

Well I could say I'm against abortion except in cases where the mother's health is at risk or if it was a case of rape or incest.