02-01-2005 22:54									#1
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A.War with Carthage (choose one)
-Make peace for what we can
-Continue previous plan for all of Spain and Southern
Corsica (Carthage has a nice force outside of it,
Macedon might not hold it.)
-All out conquest for all of Carthage.

B.Captured cities policy (choose one)
-Raze and rebuild conquered areas
-Only raze large cities
-Keep all cities

We have lots of gold laying around but I don't think anybody is touching it. I think we should use gold to rush lots of units into Spain and Corsica, because I am not sure they have enough units to quickly mop up Carthage.

	02-01-2005 23:49									#2
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Raze no cities. We have Temples everywhere, so our culture should keep up with others just fine. Also, the older a city is, the less corruption. This means, that southern Spain can have a few productive cities. If not for Legions, then at least for Galley, and Garrision production.

Continue the plan to get Spain. It is proceeding well, so there's no reason to stop now, unless something unexpected happens.

	03-01-2005 00:43									#3
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Please Continue the war plan.

On rushes, Northern Corsica hadn't come out of resistance yet during my administration, and neither had the southern two Spainish cities.

Yes, the newly founded cities in Spain could use some rushing.

Please keep 1000 gold in the bank earning interest.

My administartion used a lot of gold on rushing, mostly on actions that increased our GPT. So please feel free to spend it as needed on units.

Please keep 2 units per city in the Italian ones to maintaign order.

And when the Dye is roaded, you should be able to reduce luxaries to 0%.

Oh, I forgot to properly name the city in Cyrpus founded at the beginning of my administartion.

Please rename it to "Wine to Dye For"

	04-01-2005 15:51									#4
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Well we have 32 registered Senators, and 12 voters so far

it would be interesting to see all of the Senate placing their votes

	04-01-2005 17:18									#5
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God, 2 units per city would be a horrific waste of units ...

I put in a vote for "Raze All", even though I don't mean all. I mean, all cities in Carthage, Africa. In Spain, I agree with Modo. (And don't rebuild, at least for now.)

I suggest finishing off Carthage, if it's not too hard. I'm not sure we ever really decided if that was part of the plan or not - some cleverly worded polls have gone both ways, as the wording of the poll really makes a big difference. Although this poll seems to be rather decisive. I do urge the Senators to consider the dangers of leaving a militant Carthage at our backs; finishing them off means we don't have to keep much military on this side of the world ... not finishing them means leaving a large portion of our force here.

	04-01-2005 17:30									#6
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	04-01-2005 17:56									#7
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I was never really a fan of the annexation of Spain and would have preferred to see the Carthaginian war ended after the burning of their capitol and the capture of the islands. This was the original plan !!

We were then to focus on removing the Celts.

However as we are at this time so committed we must now prioritise the completion of this task!!

I think units must now be our priority to build, we need to be able to swamp our enemies with our Legions and smash all resistance.

This may not be possible in your five turns but once Spain is cleared we should make peace with Carthage then turn on the Celts who have now had lots of time to build up their forces. If they were to attack us suddenly in force while our troops are so spread out it would cause chaos !!!

	04-01-2005 17:57									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Also, the older a city is, the less corruption.

Any particular reason you think this, other than the increased likelihood that an older city has a courthouse already established?

	04-01-2005 17:57									#9
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I think the city rank should be lower for the cities that were there at the beginning of the game. Thus, they might be a bit less corrupt. I'm not entirely sure about this, though.

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 God, 2 units per city would be a horrific waste of units ...

Not if you make them Garrisons. They are cheap enough to be built in many places, so we don't even need to use cash for this.

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 I put in a vote for "Raze All", even though I don't mean all. I mean, all cities in Carthage, Africa. In Spain, I agree with Modo. (And don't rebuild, at least for now.)

I said "raze no cities". Do we speak different languages?

	04-01-2005 18:18									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 I think the city rank should be lower for the cities that were there at the beginning of the game. Thus, they might be a bit less corrupt. I'm not entirely sure about this, though.

City rank is determined by distance from the capital. In cases where multiple cities are identically distant from the capital, the city founded the earliest is awarded the lower rank.

However, this does not reduce corruption and waste overall, it merely alters the ranking between cities. It also has no effect on distance corruption.

	04-01-2005 18:28									#11
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I was referring to the effect a Forbidden Palace has on cities in former enemy core. The big Carthaginian cities in Spain could receive this boost, right? Even if not, keeping improvements, and saving Citizens always seems like a good idea.

	04-01-2005 18:36									#12
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I don't think we should raze any cities. It's really a waste since we need to produce settlers to build new cities and that production could be used to make legions.
We should take all Spain and then cross into North Africa and make our way across the coast, conquering as we go. I don't think the barbarians are a large threat so we should stay at peace with them.

	04-01-2005 18:50									#13
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Raze cities? What sort of an attitude is that for an world dominating empire. It is our mission to bring the benefit of Romaness to all the unfortunate others of the world. I have to vote no. I hope thats ok?

	04-01-2005 19:22									#14
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quote: Originally posted by 1889 Raze cities? What sort of an attitude is that for an world dominating empire. It is our mission to bring the benefit of Romaness to all the unfortunate others of the world. I have to vote no. I hope thats ok?

of course it is ok

You be a Senator of Rome

go forth and Speak your mind

everyone else around here does

	05-01-2005 01:30									#15
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Most are garrisons, just a few are Legionary IIIs just in case Carthage decides to invade there. No Heavy Calvary were left there.

They are highly effective at keeping order, one full turn into my administration, I was able to lower luxaries from 20% to 10%.
(With a few having a taxmen for a couple of turns)

Units have no maintance cost under Imperalism.

Our Galleys are way out of position for an invasion of North Africa, and more importantly the Celts, Gauls, and Macedonia are all easier to get to than Africa.

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 God, 2 units per city would be a horrific waste of units ... I put in a vote for "Raze All", even though I don't mean all. I mean, all cities in Carthage, Africa. In Spain, I agree with Modo. (And don't rebuild, at least for now.) I suggest finishing off Carthage, if it's not too hard. I'm not sure we ever really decided if that was part of the plan or not - some cleverly worded polls have gone both ways, as the wording of the poll really makes a big difference. Although this poll seems to be rather decisive. I do urge the Senators to consider the dangers of leaving a militant Carthage at our backs; finishing them off means we don't have to keep much military on this side of the world ... not finishing them means leaving a large portion of our force here.

	05-01-2005 01:39									#16
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Well, at Demigod corruption evel, Neo Carthage is rather far far the FP. It's not terriable [assuming we'd rush Court Houses throughout the area], but we'd do better for the FP to be Russicide so theres more cities with distance based corruption reduced than in either Neo Carthage or the other extreme southern ones.

Also, if we don't get that MGL really soon, the city closest to the center of our river valleys NE may be a more effective site. The ones that turned size 5+ during my administration had CH + MP rushed.

quote: Originally posted by Modo44 I was referring to the effect a Forbidden Palace has on cities in former enemy core. The big Carthaginian cities in Spain could receive this boost, right? Even if not, keeping improvements, and saving Citizens always seems like a good idea.

	06-01-2005 23:53									#17
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There is no need to raze cities in this scenario.

The captured city retains its culture footprint and amount, and our new Temple via Artemis continues to build on what was existing. This is to simulate Romes excellent ability to assimilate all cultures and ultimately improve upon them, therefore it was changed for this scenario.

If the cities are unhappy due to large size, starve them for a while until they submit

	07-01-2005 01:43									#18
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Starving citizens of resisting cities was a part of my standard tactics for reducing the number of resisting citizens during my administration.

quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 If the cities are unhappy due to large size, starve them for a while until they submit

	07-01-2005 01:48									#19
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for future reference...please longer time to vote in the polls.

My work schedule does not always allow me to access the forums everyday or several in a row.

I now return you all to your regular scheduled DemGame

	09-01-2005 05:52									#20
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Its 4 days from the start of your poll Emporer !

What news from the far reaches of the Empire do you have for us ??

	09-01-2005 06:51									#21
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So has anyone seen the Emperor

	09-01-2005 09:00									#22
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He forwraded pbem's to me earlier today, so we know he is alive and well. Perhaps the magnitude of his responsibilities weigh heavily on his shoulders.

Strength and Honour Cubium!

	09-01-2005 09:31									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot So has anyone seen the Emperor

Yes, you can't miss him.....he's wearing a toga and has olive leaves wrapped around his forehead . I think he's upset at missing out on auditions for Santa Claus

	09-01-2005 16:57									#24
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but in all seriousness

we do need the Emperor to do his THUNG

	10-01-2005 00:41									#25
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Off to play now.

	10-01-2005 04:55									#26
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All Hail the Emperor

	10-01-2005 07:04									#27
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All Hail Cubious!!

(Thank you for the set up and the MGL.)

	10-01-2005 13:56									#28
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Great going, Emperor.

	10-01-2005 16:48									#29
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Emperor Cubius

will you be presenting a report on your actions?

	11-01-2005 05:05									#30
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Not very exciting, rushed some military into Spain and Corsica, settled 2 cities (Cubathon), Gathered a stack of citizens near some open land to settle, got an MGL, rushed a galley in the island near Persia to take the legion and cavalry where they were needed since it had two garrisons.