03-01-2005 22:20									#1
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hi,

1. how to harvest a forest? I dont find any shortcut, do I have to plant a farm?
2. are the type of damages and armors coded (energy/projectile/...) ?

	03-01-2005 23:29									#2
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hey

1. To make a forest a with a former, use shift-f-- you do not need a farm-- you can work this like any other tile

2. This feature was supposed to be part of the game but was not used. I think it might appear in some help files or something but its irrelevant. Combat is resolved by weapon strength versus armour strength ( with applicable midifiers for terrain, sensors, special abilities and with certain exceptions for things like artillery and air interceptors

	03-01-2005 23:35									#3
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Hi,

To answer your questions:
1) To harvest a forest, build something other than a road, magtube, bunker or sensor on it (thus a farm, solar collector, borehole, echelon mirror or condensor should do the trick)
shortcuts: farm = f, solar collector = s, Borehole = B [take not that it is capital B, not b], echelon mirror = E, condensor = n
They should be in the right click menu under the option "terraform...", then a detailed terraform menu pops up.

2) They left out projectile and energy armor attributes.
For example a plasma steel armor (=3) defends as 3 against laser and projectile weapons alike.

I hope this answers your questions!

Have fun playing!

	03-01-2005 23:37									#4
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While I was typing Flubber already posted the answers.

Sorry for the somewhat double post.

	03-01-2005 23:50									#5
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yup major guz

But I'm thinking that pocus thinks you can harvest a forest for a minerals boon as IIRC you can do in CIV3. That is NOT the case.

In SMAX you can work or crawl a forest like any other tile and you can get rid of it by terraforming something else

	04-01-2005 00:54									#6
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ah yes, I just wanted to harvest fast a forest, so the minimum turn usage is 3 to plant it, and 3 to put a sensor. Not that interesting then.

	04-01-2005 01:24									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber yup major guz But I'm thinking that pocus thinks you can harvest a forest for a minerals boon as IIRC you can do in CIV3. That is NOT the case. In SMAX you can work or crawl a forest like any other tile and you can get rid of it by terraforming something else

HUH?

see (my bold italics):

quote: Extracted from alphax.txt 10, ; Retool exemption (first X minerals not affected by penalty) 20, ; Minimum # of turns between councils 5, ; Minerals for harvesting forest 8, ; Territory: max distance from base 20, ; Turns to corner Global Energy Market

If you remember the old "Mountainman" scenario challenge, that was it - minerals only from planting then harvesting forests

G.

	04-01-2005 02:09									#8
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But to harvest the forest you have to build something else right?

The only 1 turn thing that exists is farm... and ONLY in the Aldebaran mod with Weather Paradigm and Super Former....

	04-01-2005 23:22									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie If you remember the old "Mountainman" scenario challenge, that was it - minerals only from planting then harvesting forests G.

wow learn something new every day . . . How does one "harvest" a forest in smax? I don't recall that option . .. Or is it just something that happens automatically if you terraform something else. does the forest need to be inside a base radii or will it work anywhere in your territory ??

	05-01-2005 00:12									#10
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replace it and you gain the minerals.

	05-01-2005 01:36									#11
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And, the city which gets the minerals is the city that created the former in the first place, not the closest city, or even the city currently using the tile.

	05-01-2005 02:04									#12
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Ahh, I never figured out why the minerals did not go always to the closest cities.

Indeed, as googlie stated, the bonus from a harvested forest is 5 minerals. In civ 3 it is 10, but you can only harvest a forest one time (in civ3 that is).

	05-01-2005 05:09									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Pocus ah yes, I just wanted to harvest fast a forest, so the minimum turn usage is 3 to plant it, and 3 to put a sensor. Not that interesting then.

As Major Guz earlier stated, it has to be something other than a road, magtube, bunker or sensor - so a sensor will not do the job.

	06-01-2005 04:06									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber wow learn something new every day . . . How does one "harvest" a forest in smax? I don't recall that option . .. Or is it just something that happens automatically if you terraform something else. does the forest need to be inside a base radii or will it work anywhere in your territory ??

You should listen to your Planetary Ecologist:

From script.txt (SMAC):


#HARVESTFOREST
#xs 400
#wave 20
#caption Planetary Ecologist
Forest harvested. $NUM0 minerals returned to $BASENAME0.


That should pop up every time you replace a forest with a different improvement!

Or do we have all our warnings turned off...?

GFC