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lack of education

Education can give you a job, security, and the ability to participate in a free democracy. It wipes out any major problem of our time.


Education can not solve the worlds problems. It can help individuals, but only because education is scarce.

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For the Nth time, poverty is not the cause of terrorism... Terrorists are by far and large middle class.

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I'd say it only needs too, poverty and education. Disease disappears with decent healthcare systems, so removing poverty would help that considerably. And if no-one is poor, why does everyone need to be equal? Can't we have those living comfortably and those in luxury? Trying to make everyone equal makes solving poverty, a much more important target, far harder.

You could even contend that only one of poverty and education need to be solved, as removing poverty means education is affordable, and providing education generally leads to a reduction in poverty.

However how do you get either of them to start without the other? I think improving communication systems would do it, combined with a free market worldwide - if mobility of people and resources is much better, then it doesn't matter where people are. Thus people in poorer countries will be employed, so much so that they can demand higher wages, and people in developed countries have to accept lower, as people are undercutting them. This means, while the first world will get poorer relatively, the developing world will gain. These workers will need to be trained, thus schools will be started, not to mention the money from the increased prosperous employment meaning they can build them themselves.

The free market, the great equalizer - it just takes a long time, or much better resource mobility and communication systems.

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Too many humans, too few Chinese.

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For the Nth time, poverty is not the cause of terrorism... Terrorists are by far and large middle class.


hmnmm... I don't think so.

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And what of the potential for environmental catastrophe as I mentioned earlier?

I know I am doing my bit for population control

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The free market, the great equalizer


Yep, free market is death.

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And if no-one is poor, why does everyone need to be equal? Can't we have those living comfortably and those in luxury? Trying to make everyone equal makes solving poverty, a much more important target, far harder.


Let me guess. You aren't poor are you?

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Yep, free market is death.


LIES!!!

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For the Nth time, poverty is not the cause of terrorism... Terrorists are by far and large middle class.

That wouldn't matter. Removing poverty means the terrorists can afford an army, thus any peace agreement would be nearer fair, as both sides would be armed. If the Palestinians were rich, they'd have their own country by now.

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The free market, the great equalizer - it just takes a long time, or much better resource mobility and communication systems.


A long time? Why is it that the divide between the rich and the poor is getting worse and worse and worse?

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i have to agree poverty is not the cause of terrorism there are far more idiotic factors invloved such as those beliefs that one mans life is more or less important then their neighbors. beleifs are like opinions and every one knows what opinions are like everybody has one

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hmnmm... I don't think so.


Better believe it - they're usually students, nurses, etc.They're intelligent and articulate.

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OPEC has increased supply even when prices were going up. It shows OPEC cannot control market prices. Demand controls market prices. Learn economics and take basic courses. In the 70s, OPEC did have a stranglehold, but not right now. Besides, there are plenty of countries outside of OPEC that produce what they please. You are misinformed, and none less then a liar.


Prices fall when OPEC increases production and the rise when OPEC decreases production. You don't know nearly as much as you think you do.

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Let me guess. You aren't poor are you?

No, but why would that matter? All I said was that it's far more important to remove poverty than it is to make everyone equal. Quality is nice, but I'd rather half the population were millionaires and the other half lived comfortably than everyone lived comfortably.

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if the palestinians had stopped the suicide bombers years ago they'd have their own country AND be rich by now...

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hmnmm... I don't think so.


Better believe it - they're usually students, nurses, etc.They're intelligent and articulate.


Do you have a source? From what I know poverty and inequality do breed terrorism.

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A long time? Why is it that the divide between the rich and the poor is getting worse and worse and worse?

Protectionism. They can't export, but we dump on them. Similarly with outsourcing, the backlash against it. When we have a free international market, it will equalize.

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But all evidence points to the contrary...whether on a national or international scale.

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No, but why would that matter? All I said was that it's far more important to remove poverty than it is to make everyone equal. Quality is nice, but I'd rather half the population were millionaires and the other half lived comfortably than everyone lived comfortably.


Sure it's more important to remove poverty, but you can remove poverty AND inequality. It seemed to me that you favor inequality. Did I misunderstand you?

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But he and his senior command aren't and they are the ones who are behind the scenes. And who says they can't attract people who are rich?


duh

The poor are doing all the work though, without them he is nothing.

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And what of the potential for environmental catastrophe as I mentioned earlier?

I know I am doing my bit for population control

...and we all will keep supporting you with that decision.

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education and articulation is not the cause of wide spread terrorism it is the cause of some chaos that is because the more you learn the more you believe in the need of change look back to the things that happened in china the students caused the uprising at the square a few years back however they were fighting for their futures not those of the elderly goverment officials whos future has already been decided its all about change

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Protectionism. They can't export, but we dump on them. Similarly with outsourcing, the backlash against it. When we have a free international market, it will equalize.


But that's just going to lower wages in the developed world and make the gap greater, because the rich will benefit.

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oh and by the way i was a student and am a nurse now however i dont see my self as causing an uprising i have worked in way to many hospital settings to know that you cant change human nature or behavior

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That wouldn't matter. Removing poverty means the terrorists can afford an army, thus any peace agreement would be nearer fair, as both sides would be armed. If the Palestinians were rich, they'd have their own country by now.




wealth doesn't appear out of nowhere. "could afford" how exactly? win the lottery? They don't have the economic infrastructure, and don't have a societal infrastructure for indpendently creating modern amounts of wealth.

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Do you have a source? From what I know poverty and inequality do breed terrorism.


a random googling reveals:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/b...nwashing30.html
http://www.cesnur.org/2004/waco_introvigne.htm

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Do you have a source? From what I know poverty and inequality do breed terrorism.


a random googling reveals:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/b...nwashing30.html
http://www.cesnur.org/2004/waco_introvigne.htm


You're talking about special cases. Where in those articles does it say that most terrorists are from middle class.

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Urrr, I was talking about the current of world terrorism. Don't know about you. ( Google Unabomber's bio if you wanna find out about him, for example)

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Urrr, I was talking about the current of world terrorism. Don't know about you. ( Google Unabomber's bio if you wanna find out about him, for example)


The unibomber is mentally ill. How can you count him?

Did you watch the CNN show about Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda? According to that show Al Qaeda mostly recruits from the lower class, and of course Palestinians can't be considered middle class. They may be educated, but they are still palestinians.

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