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With all due respect, your bad experience with algebra in Maryland need not be representative of the US education system. |
But it is, where liberals have had the most control for lengthy periods of time, schools have gone downhill. The exceptions are wealthy liberal areas. Its not entirely liberals fault of course, parents are ultimately responsible but other liberal programs like welfare promote out of wedlock births so parenting becomes even more strained. Higher taxes mean more families with 2 working parents so even those women who didn't embrace the feminist "career woman" agenda are pushed into the workforce.
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And I do not think that it should be a mere contract between parent and teacher, since the taxpayer is involved too. |
Involve the taxpayer and you involve the politician.
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Also your model would allow for such things as white-supremacy or homophobia to be taught in communities that hold such views, so education becomes a means of reinforcing old and stagnant concepts, instead of a means of progress, which has always come from the liberal side (of the time) anyway. |
Yes, it would (you planning on removing racist parents from their kids too?  ). Like I said, public schools are just a battlefield for liberals and conservatives to indoctrinate other people's children. You've just explained why - liberals want to teach other people's children to be nice to liberals.
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But it is, where liberals have had the most control for lengthy periods of time, schools have gone downhill. The exceptions are wealthy liberal areas. Its not entirely liberals fault of course, |
If this is truely happening (Some form of evidence perhaps?) then it could be caused by many things, by a greater rate of inclusion of disadvantaged students bringing the averages down. Educational performance statistics are notoriously unreliable in the hands of political parties with an axe to grind.
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parents are ultimately responsible but other liberal programs like welfare promote out of wedlock births so parenting becomes even more strained. |
If this is true then how come the teenage pregnancy rates and abortion rates are at their lowest in liberal states in the USA. It may be that there are more pregnant women forced into marriage in illiberal states.
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Co-Ruler of my patch of land south of Birmingham Alabama
Feb 2002
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Originally posted by GePap
How do you come to the conclusion that this was anacdotal, as opposed to a known fact that is simply not being fleshed out anymore than if someone says the sky is blue. (do they then have to go into a full fledged discussion of why?) |
This could very well have been a summary of more specific data (but given the way it is written I doubt it). However, there are no references to any data that I can examine, therefore it is anecdotal. That doesnt automatically exclude the results/conclusions if testable data is also present. Given that it is not, these examples are of no more scientific note than the descriptions of the woods in Winnie The Pooh.
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Would they have to have alid out beforehand the entire botanical history of the species and thus shown , through copmparitive genetic studies that this was a European transplant? Is the introduction of Kudzu just anacdotal for you as well? norway rats?
What do people need to do? |
As a matter of fact they would. Just how much they would have to provide in the introduction depends on how well known the subject is.
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Theben
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Dance Dance for the Revolution!
Jan 1970
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But it is, where liberals have had the most control for lengthy periods of time, schools have gone downhill. The exceptions are wealthy liberal areas. Its not entirely liberals fault of course, parents are ultimately responsible but other liberal programs like welfare promote out of wedlock births so parenting becomes even more strained. Higher taxes mean more families with 2 working parents so even those women who didn't embrace the feminist "career woman" agenda are pushed into the workforce. |
This is pure BS. The same can be said of 'conservative- controlled' areas (whatever that means, there are plenty of each found in population and power in most areas of the country). Welfare doesn't "promote" out of wedlock births, and as someone pointed out the 'liberal' states have lower OOW pregnancy and abortion rates. Sex education plays a big role there (another evil liberal idea). And women were forced into the workforce by the combination of declining wage earnings and increasing costs of living. I know plenty of people who try to do the 1 breadwinner option, so someone can stay home with the kids. It's not a matter of ideology, it's one of money. And I don't see an influx of women rushing back home after the Bush, or Reagan, tax 'cuts', so maybe increased taxes didn't account for too much, eh?
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12-01-2005 10:33
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), and the philisophical implications resulting from natural selection throw the absolutist part out the window. I see this alot when that people say it is an insult to call ourselves apes, or when people use the phrase "you're acting like an animal" when a kid is being wild. 
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