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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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I don't know if I should love or hate this game. I'll explain my latest game briefly.
So, I start the game as a Valkyrie, Human/Female/Neutral. Game begins with the usual stuff, the shield, some food. The only difference between this game and the usual NetHack game of mine is that I play completely ironman (no save-load cheats at all).
So I proceed in the game, and don't I proceed well? My little kitten is already a large cat at the Oracle level, and I'm well on my way to 100 hp. Of course I already have Excalibur (with which I killed a wraith that had ventured way too high in the caves compared to where wraiths can usually be found from) and some other fun stuff. Like lots of food, rings of invisibility and see invisible. My AC is -4 (Small +3 shield, +0 helmet of telepathy, +3 iron boots and +0 dwarvish mithril coat) and exp 9 when I do the usual maneuvre: When I get to Oracle, I proceed back, go through the Gnomish Mines and then go back to the Oracle (in fact, I think I should go through Soko-ban before the Gnomish mines... If not anything else, I need a bag for those gems!). So, I about walked on the gnomes in the first levels of the gnomish mines. Everything was going just too well.
Then came Mine Town. Happily I find out that Izchak's store has more than enough candles (thrice my need). About the altar I don't really care so much, it was neutral while I was lawful (actually I intended to be lawful when I created the character), but I didn't have so much money. But then again, I didn't lack very much either, I had about 700-800 zorkmids.
So, when I was cleaning the temple from the resident Gnome lords, a yellow light came up to me. "No need to care, I can just search places and I've got ESP anyway", I thought. Well, so I didn't care. And so I went to the second, empty room. And like magic a yellow c appeared to the door of that room. A cockatrice, as everybody knows. I killed it into the doorway. Well, who would wait for some 50 turns to get one doorway cleaned... Or who would use charges of the wand of digging? No-one I say! Or, at least my sub-conscious mind said so.
Ari the Valkyrie, petrified by a cockatrice corpse. I hate this game.
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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UTTERLY UNHOLY MAJOR DEMONS, I HATE THIS GAME FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!
OK, so here's the story. I was Ari val-hum-fem-law. My games go almost always well when I play as a valkyrie; This time it went even better than the last time. So, at level two I found a crystal wand. Of course I zapped it and checked what it did. Hmm, a wand of wishing. OK, I might just have some use for... A blessed +2 GDSM, blessed +2 fireproof speed boots and the blessed +2 Mjollnir. After I got my long sword cursed (drank from a fountain) and throhoughly rusty, I finally got the blessing of Excalibur from the last fountain in the Oracle level. I also got a thankful water demon from one fountain, and wished for blessed +2 gauntlets of power.
And I went on; After the Soko-ban(bag of holding), in the Mines my little dog stepped on a polymorph trap and became a xorn (actually I had to guide him there, first time he polymorphed into a giant beetle and the second time into a giant bat, and those just weren't satisying enough). I found the gems from the bottom of the Mines with the luckstone and because I completely forgot the gems while I was in Mine Town the second time, I didn't get the money from them. Afterwards I threw quite a lot of them to unicorns. When I got up from the Mines I happened to find a brown potion that I quaffed, and I merged with my armor. Hmm... Didn't somebody say that female characters can lay eggs in some monsters' forms? So I laid about 20 eggs, then thought that if they're all going to be my pets it's a bit too much. And who knows if they become feral. So I ate most of the eggs and put a few in my back.
After a few levels I had polymorphed back to human form, had a Xorn and a small army of baby gray dragons as my pets, and I was happily bashing every enemy with the Mjollnir (with power 25). But then the time of decay began. I angered my god (prayed on an altar, ate tainted meat and prayed again - and at first, forgot that I had an unicorn horn). So I went to the lower levels without my pets to find sacrifices. I did find them, and an altar to convert, too, but when I came back I had only one tame baby dragon and the xorn. One of the dragons had gone completely feral, but it wasn't a big job to shock it dead. But then I went back again, hungry for even more from my god. When I came back I had only the xorn. I decided to keep with my only pet and went down, but in one of the levels, when I slipped the leash from around her and let her walk into the wall, I didn't see her after that. Anyway I proceeded down to get to exp. level 14 for the quest. I found a leprechaun hall (more than 16000 zorkmids... Not bad) and a few opulent throne rooms where I had fun with a few ice trolls that just didn't know how to die. In the second of the throne rooms, there were three dragons (orange, red and yellow) and I killed them after all the other monsters. I ate the orange dragon to get sleep-resistance, I had a hard time getting it all down but wasn't prompted for stopping. After I ate it (and got "wide awake") I rolled for a few moments with an ice troll, sat on the throne (and made it vanish without any bonuses) and found a chest. Forced the lock, found a banana and a violet gem. Ah, doesn't that banana look so delicious? - I thought.
You choke over your food -More-
You die -More-
Do you want your possessions identified?
I HATE this game.
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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And to make sure nobody thinks my NetHack misery has ended now...
So I started a game again. I was a valkyrie, as always. I happen to love that class. So I started the game quite normally... It went quite normally until I found a fountain, drank from it, got a graceful water demon. For me a graceful water demon means a blessed +2 grey dragon scale mail. So, with a +3 small shield and +2 GDSM I got AC -5... not bad for level two. After a while I found a sink, drank from it and merged with my scaly armor, laid one egg (I don't really want to have so many pets that I forget them... and then fight against gone-feral grey dragons) and gone with playing. I came back to human form before the egg hatched. Soon I got the Excalibur by dipping, very easy. Just as always, everything was going extremely well. I was actually quite scared when a giant mimic was one hit away from killing me in a hardware shop, but I could kill it. After that my little dog and baby grey dragon cleaned the shop of mimics. I bought two leashes, a looking glass and a whistle; All quite useful tools. And went on. So I found a violet spellbook and read it. Lo and behold, no gold. Damn stupid valkyries. But anyway, I was proceeding well enough and continued. A shop, of course. A general store, to be exact. So I went there, sold an indigo spellbook that I had got earlier and bought two tins, hoping for spinach. Nope, just bat meat found. Disappointed, I decided that it would be time to see what my scrolls do, perhaps to make myself happy again. I was in a corner of the corridor, like this (stone decipted by -, ground by .):
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I had three scrolls... Scroll #1: Create monster, I dispatched the two elf zombies quite easily. Scroll #2: Enchant armor, and so I had a +4 small shield. Scroll #3: Earth, and so I was stranded in the middle of boulders, able to move... nowhere. No pick-axe. No scroll of teleportation.
I HATE THIS GAME.
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Theben
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Dance Dance for the Revolution!
Jan 1970
time: 00:13
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quote:
Originally posted by LightEning on 02-20-2001 05:48 PM
Turban: What do you mean? Don't you think it's fun to... er... do various things? [You need only a few succubuses to change your mind]
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Considering I usually play my favorite D&D character when I play Nethack, they're incubuses, unless my sex has been changed.
I know what you mean about it's addictiveness. That's part of the reason I deleted it from my computer. The other reason is because I played the best game I think I'll ever get already. I had cleared out the gnomish mines, the goblin castle, the fort, and was traveling through hell. I was sleep resistant (elf), cold resistant, and I think polymorph resistant, as well as a bunch of other stuff (ESP, speed, regenerating, etc.). It took 3 Arch-Devils randomly pounding me and teleporting away to finally bring me down, and it took them a while. I think what really got me was the lack of food. I made it to level 34.
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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UR, I'll give you a short explanation on those things and the means to find more information:
Q. What does drinking from a fountain do?
A: Various things. Usually you just quaff tasteless water, nothing happens. Sometimes you summon a water nymph; I think you have experience on the nymphs from the other games you've played. Sometimes you unleash a water demon, that can either be hostile or peaceful. If it's peaceful, it grants you one wish (i.e. you can wish for almost any item you want, and the almost means about 5% of the possible items in the game...). If it's hostile, it tries to kill you. And sometimes the water is contaminated, sometimes you unleash a water elemental, sometimes you get enlightenment, sometimes you get monster detection, and... bah. Just download the sources and search for it yourself.
Q: What is this sink business?
A: Look it up from the source code or some spoiler, there are hundreds of them within the reach of a single search engine.
So, go up to Google and give it search terms that include NetHack, spoilers, FAQ or something. Most importantly, just get the game and play it.
[This message has been edited by LightEning (edited February 28, 2001).]
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Richard Bruns
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NC, USA
Nov 1999
time: 06:13
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This game looks interesting, but seems pretty normal since nothing unusual has happened to me. I am playing a gnomish archaeologist, so I start with food and useful tools. Nothing spectacular has happened to me yet; I'll just die from powerful monsters.
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Father Beast
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My head stuck permanently in my civ
Feb 2000
time: 22:13
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I have been playing this, but can't get very far.
They were right though, this game has PERSONALITY!
I keep doing the barbarian, since I tried tourist once, got attacked by 2 jackals, and died despite blinding them with the camera.
after the 5th time my barb died from eating a corpse, I SWORE I would never eat another corpse. they don't seem to assuage my hunger much, anyway. I got down to level 3, and got hypnotized by an eye while a hill orc came up and whacked on me till I died.
I must say, the learning curve (all those commands, different if capitalized) is fairly high, but worth it. this is a lot of fun, but when my guy gets killed on something stupid, I feel like killing someone myself.
Hmmnn... I've got to go back and try it again.
By the way, couple of questions.
1. is it better to use scrolls and potions right away and find out what they are, or is there a way to identify them? I once tried my only scroll and it was a scroll of identify, and I didn't have anything to ID.
2. On level 2, I kept hearing the ring of a cash register and the occaisional mutter of someone cursing shoplifters, but I never found a storekeeper. is there a trick to getting to see him?
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:13
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Yep, tourist is the worst character class in the game... probably because all the people who want to just have a peek at NetHack use tourist, and quickly conclude that the game is too hard for them. That keeps the player pool pury  .
But anyway, a few hints:
- Always eat the corpses fresh. They may become tainted over time. If you're barbarian, you don't have to care about normal poisons, though (tainted food poisons you but poisoned food doesn't)
- Don't eat corpses that your pet won't eat. This means that you'll have to be faster than your pet when collecting things to eat, but it shouldn't be so hard
- If you get a food poisoning, there are a few ways of getting rid of it (these are only examples): Pray (works almost always if you don't pray too often), (a)pply a unicorn horn (though of course you need one... don't worry, you'll get one from the first unicorn you kill), or drink from a fountain or sink (rarely works, though). IIRC potions of healing, at least blessed ones, also heal food poisoning.
- Floating eyes aren't so evil. You need to worry about them only if: 1. You are beside them. 2. You can see them. 3. They can see you. 4. You attack them. If you take even one of those parts away (throw things at them from afar, put a towel around your head, throw a cream pie at them, or just ignore them) you needn't worry about them at all. Remember, you get an useful intrinsic from them. But only if you know your towel well.
And about your questions:
1. Usually if I am in good health I do quaff potions and read scrolls (and sometimes zap wands) even without identifying them. With amulets and rings it is a better idea to identify them first, or at least identify whether they are cursed or not cursed (you don't want any cursed rings in your hands)
2. I dunno. I think that the sounds can climb levels, because even with ESP I haven't found shopkeepers from some levels with shopkeeper sounds.
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MattyBoy
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Pekka Fan Club
Jun 2001
time: 15:13
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This is my favourite game at the moment. I am no longer mentally tough enough to play Ironman like LightEning, but I have managed to finish on Ironman a couple of years ago.
Valkyrie is the easiest I think. Wizard is fun if you get bored with that, but Wizard relies so much on starting items.
LightEning:
"I had three scrolls... Scroll #3: Earth, and so I was stranded in the middle of boulders, able to move... nowhere. No pick-axe. No scroll of teleportation.
I HATE THIS GAME."
Wow. Bad bad story.
At first I thought that was worse than anything that has ever happened to me.
But wait, can't you take *everything* off and just slip through spaces between the rocks. Then you can come back to get your stuff by digging or teleporting (wand) that square or bringing in a giant to help. Actually the giant would probably lose some of it when you killed her, so that is not so good. Maybe a nymph would be better. I don't think they ever lose stuff. In the end, this would be a fun thing to happen as you would have a strong character, with no items and it might be fun to see how you fared.
I don't wish for Mjollnir, because Odin gives you that as the first gift.
What is this about getting a bag of holding on Sokoban?
What is this? "I rolled for a few moments with an ice troll, sat on the
throne (and made it vanish without any bonuses)"
I don't know anything that can be done with thrones.
"After a while I found a sink, drank from it and merged with my scaly armor"
How does this work? Is it a good thing or to be avoided?
Other Thoughts:
On eating corpses...
- lizard corpses never go off, they are light and should be carried. If you start to petrify, eating a lizard corpse will fix you.
- unicorn horns applied will help with many things. For example, once you get a horn, you can eat poisonous things, then cure yourself. Eventually you will "feel healthy" after eating a corpse and you are immune to poison.
On shopkeeper sounds. Sometimes you hear "counting money", but that might be a money vault, not a shopkeeper.
I usually quaff any unidentified potions, unless I have the ability to cast identify or can get plenty of identify scrolls.
On pets...
If I play as Valkyrie, I generally get much tougher than my pets after a while and it soon gets better to just leave them on old levels in case you need them later. If I mess with pets for too long, I eventually get impatient. If I play when I am impatient I always die sooner or later. It is fun trying to raise dragons. I haven't tried that for a while.
Actually, IIRC, dragons are bad too, because they:
- eat corpses that you need
- eat Nurses, Incubi, giants, trolls and nymphs that you might want to keep.
and don't they forget you forever if you don't feed them for long enough?
So,
What would you guys genocide? I never can decide.
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