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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:30
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Once again... you ever driven a Benz? The smooth ride, handling, and acceleration is definetly worth $30,000 more than a Camry. |
What a stupid, stupid argument -- you're comparing things in different classes.
Compare a Benz to a BMW, or even an Acura. Benz sales have dropped off in recent years for a reason.
They sell entirely off image now -- they do have bigger engines than Camries (oh, what an accomplishment  ), but they don't compare with other makers in its class. BMW regularly has ads focusing on performance and reliability in car magazines, Mercedes focuses on image only.
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And have you ever looked INSIDE an H2? Yeah, its just like a Yukon (but loaded on the inside like a mini-limo)  . |
Mini-limo my ass. It looks like boxy crap...
Apparently you don't want to believe me, but the H2 has HUGE part commonality with the Yukon XL. It's nothing but a Yukon with a harder image and the "Hummer" brand.
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And the automobile market has no selling points beyond image and style? |
When did I ever say that -- another strawman.
Please comprehend arguments before tearing down what you want my argument to be.
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Maybe they are finally starting to get it... perhaps the digital music market doesn't have a 'true selling point' (as defined by Asher)  . |
The true selling point of the iPod is image and style -- that's what the marketing is based on, accordingly.
That's not a reason to buy IMO, and I understand most people don't agree with me. That's fine. They're likely the same people who buy Fords year after year, or make other ridiculously uninformed decisions.
People are stupid, and by catering to stupidity Apple is making a fortune in the low-end electronics market. This strategy fails once it becomes a "big ticket" purchase like a computer, where most people do a bit more research into it before buying.
I congratulate Apple on their success in marketing to people lacking intellectual capacity, and I congratulate you on joining the ranks as well, Imran. Your constant stream of strawmen makes it abundantly clear that you're likely on the waiting list for a PowerMac, or you will be soon.
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Agathon
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Leafs 4TW!! - CPA
Dec 2002
time: 00:30
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Actually, ace -- if you make the assertion that Paul claims that WMP is a "poor immitation copy" of iTunes, you do need to quote a source. You don't have to say it's not necessary and then justify it yourself -- if you claim someone said it, you do need to show them saying it to prove they said it. |
Um.. nice try at pedantry to hide the fact you've been pwned.
He clearly says it is inferior.
As for a copy...
From his preview of WMP10
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/wmp10_preview.asp
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Fans of iTunes might be confused for thinking this product is a melding of both iTunes and WMP 9: WMP 10 still sports a rounded, colorized WMP 9-like "chrome," or shell, but its been dramatically simplified. The menu bar, previously enabled via a mouse-over by default, is now just off by default, which better retains the clean lines of the player. (You can enable the menu bar using a weird new button on the top of the player, situated to the left of the window control buttons). |
Much of the point of his preview is that MS has simplified WMP10 to be more itunes like. He goes on to mention:
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Or, you could choose option number three. The one that works just like iTunes. |
I suppose you want to quibble about this, but it seems evident to me.
Everyone who looks at both knows that MS made WMP to be more itunes like (and Musicmatch like) because these players were better.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:30
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Originally posted by MarkG
* MarkG makes a note to self: always remember to make sure ahser posts in your thread or it's dead |
I'm the life of the party.
The problem with your threads is they lack trolls. Every thread needs one, subtle or not.
If it's an Apple or MS thread, they always end up the same. I argue with Agathon about who runs a business better.
In the end Agathon is sure to think he's won, but looking at the company finances and size and marketshare tells a very different story. It's been getting even better recently -- Apple finally has a successful product (its first in MANY years), and Agathon is now blindly telling other companies how to run their business, and to be more like Apple.
We need to step back and look at how Apple turned out. They used this same business strategy before with the first Apple desktops. It works great at first, generates lots of hype...and then it falls prey to the open market as the market matures.
Conveniently, it's Microsoft (and Creative, Rio, iRiver, etc) who are once again targeting the open market. Apple is trying to play the closed market again.
And it won't work. 
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:30
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Originally posted by Agathon
Um.. nice try at pedantry to hide the fact you've been pwned.
He clearly says it is inferior.
As for a copy...
From his preview of WMP10
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/wmp10_preview.asp
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Fans of iTunes might be confused for thinking this product is a melding of both iTunes and WMP 9: WMP 10 still sports a rounded, colorized WMP 9-like "chrome," or shell, but its been dramatically simplified. The menu bar, previously enabled via a mouse-over by default, is now just off by default, which better retains the clean lines of the player. (You can enable the menu bar using a weird new button on the top of the player, situated to the left of the window control buttons). |
Much of the point of his preview is that MS has simplified WMP10 to be more itunes like. He goes on to mention:
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Or, you could choose option number three. The one that works just like iTunes. |
I suppose you want to quibble about this, but it seems evident to me.
Everyone who looks at both knows that MS made WMP to be more itunes like (and Musicmatch like) because these players were better. |
The simple problem with this is you're equating making the program simpler to being like iTunes.
Just where do you get that?
When WMP9/10 were under development, Winamp was by far the #1 music app on the desktop. It was simpler, it was smaller, it was easier to use.
iTunes came after Winamp (substantially after...), in case you didn't know.
Most people on Windows weren't using WMP, they were using Winamp. People's complaint with WMP was it was too big and complex to use.
So Microsoft slimmed it down. It incorporated more and more things and design choices that have been in Winamp for years.
So suddenly MS is trying to copy iTunes?
Please. WMP's main competition is Winamp, especially when WMP9/10 were developed, not iTunes. WMP9/10 gravitate more towards the Winamp usage and style than iTunes (iTunes isn't even a full media program, just music).
iTunes added features that were in Winamp, and they also make it into WMP. Nevermind we can argue this is a natural progression in response to user complaints, but the fact is, Winamp was the first major program to do these before the others.
Is everyone copying Winamp, or iTunes?
This debate is identical to the one about the desktop metaphor. Mac heads still claim today that everyone is ripping off the MacOS desktop concept. I suppose the next generation Mac heads will claim the same about the iPod/iTunes.
Talk about lack of scope. 
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MORON
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Vancouver, Canada
Jun 2001
time: 13:30
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Well, it takes two to tangle......
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:30
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Originally posted by Agathon
No. It's called "anti-social personality disorder" and you are the second clearest case I've ever seen. |
Stick to Plato, man.
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There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
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I am virtually the polar opposite of every one of those attributes.
I have seen a professional psychiatrist (well, two), but that was because I was avoidant, not anti-social. It has nothing to do with this thread, in any case, and is yet another example of you pretending to know something you don't.
I've yet to see a single educated, logical post you've made outside of an ancient philosophy thread.
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Agathon
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Leafs 4TW!! - CPA
Dec 2002
time: 00:30
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Actually, based on your behaviour here you are almost certainly suffering from a mild version. Not all of them end up becoming criminals.
Let's see:
You can add to your (somewhat incomplete) list
Narcissism: clear in your case, many of your threads are simply about you. In a community with many narcissists, you stand head and shoulders above everyone else.
As for the rest:
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1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest |
This is overstated. Many sociopaths do not engage in criminal activity. Many of them manage to live quite normal lives.
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2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure. |
Sorry, but this sounds just like you.
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3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead. |
You will fly off half-cocked at the least provocation or misunderstanding.
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4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults. |
You are too much of a wimp to get physical, but otherwise this is on the ball.
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5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others |
Pretty much. You're malicious towards anyone who disagrees with you.
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6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations |
As I said above, many sociopaths manage a career. I assume this list is more about extreme cases. There is a scale, invented by the world's authority on it, who happens to be a Canadian.
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7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another |
Wow... based on your actions here, that's you again.
Of course, you might be completely different in person, but I doubt it.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:30
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Originally posted by Agathon
Narcissism: clear in your case, many of your threads are simply about you. |
Name one.
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Sorry, but this sounds just like you. |
But it's not -- you say I lie "all the time" and make things up to support my case. That, ironically, is a lie. You always point to the same two examples, both of which are not accurate. For example, the iTunes deleting your music when you moved to a non-USA country with a non-USA credit card -- I didn't make that up, in fact I've linked you to the article many times since. The fact that it doesn't do that any more -- in response to the public backlash, no doubt -- doesn't make it a lie.
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You will fly off half-cocked at the least provocation or misunderstanding. |
I'm aggressive online, that doesn't make me anti-social. That's also not even what the point said that you quoted -- I'm one of those types who always has to plan a head. I'm not one of those impulsive people. It bothers me to not have a plan...
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You are too much of a wimp to get physical, but otherwise this is on the ball. |
Aggressive debater = anti-social?
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Pretty much. You're malicious towards anyone who disagrees with you. |
That doesn't say anything about reckless disregard about the safety of others...
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Wow... based on your actions here, that's you again. |
Lack of remorse? Just how do you prove that based on Apolyton?
It must be a logical conclusion from the Tsunami-Christian thread, isn't it? How I called the actions of the Christian "aid" workers disgusting and inhumane. Yeah, it sounds like I'm anti-social alright.
Quit playing games, man. You're usually wrong, and you're way off here again. Professional psychiatrists who I've dealt with strongly disagree with you, as does common sense with a list of the symptoms.
You're almost always out of your league, but you'll never admit it, or admit defeat.
I'm aggressive online because I have a low tolerance for ignorance. It's not that I constantly just insult people (though it does get to that point with specific people whose names I won't mention), I try to educate as well. I try to post rational, details arguments with support for my claims. In constrast, you exist just to be a contrarian. Seldom do you actually know what's being talked about, and even more rare is when you can actually build an argument based on facts and logic. You're just here to use whimsical rhetoric and ad hominems.
This thread is a brilliant example. Not only did you first try the smoke-and-mirror approach to debate, you've since abandonded that completely to try to discredit me by trying to analyze my personality now. The best part is, that, too, is wildly inaccurate.
What's next?
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Thue
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Copenhagen, Denmark
Jan 1970
time: 06:30
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
Well I can buy a PC that looks cute, but is far better inside then the Mini Mac. Seriously this may push their market share up to about 2.1%. The Mini Mac, or Mac Mini (sounds like some kind of submachine gun or something lol) is of poor quality. And once people realize its inferiority they won't buy it (it probably won't even be able to compete with Celerons). But then again you are right, there are those who don't know any better.. like Agathon. |
I think I know a thing or two about computers, and I am thinking about buying a MAC mini.
Who cares if they are slower then celerons, they are fast enough for far most uses.
And it is small, and noiseless. And quite cheap, I haven't seem a convincing price comparison for a completely comparable package. And you get to play with OS X, which is probably the best OS user experience available currently (or so I hear).
If nothing else I can run an X server on it, put my current noisy linux athlon 64 3000+ in the basement, and run it over the 100Mbit network when I need the horsepower.
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