20-01-2005 02:51									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Here's the other reason, even though I'm not impressed with the Mac Mini's specs, why I don't mind it as much. I've always been the one to trash iMacs and other all-in-one models. At least Apple has finally come out with a very basic system that is modular, which was one key problem I had. Unfortunately, it still fails the upgradeability requirement, which the Mini/Micro-ATX boards meet (Nano-ITX doesn't really, as of yet...).

But there is a big damn problem here (pardon my harshness). Is the Mini Mac useful for the budget user? No it is not. Next case.

	20-01-2005 03:23									#92
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Of course you ask a blanket and misleading question that is somewhat to the side of what we have been arguing about.

That doesn't change anything. We are talking about it as a music player. Of course Thurrott is going to say that since his big beef is that it doesn't support third party services.

As he writes:

quote: I do believe that Microsoft tried to make WMP 10 as simple as iTunes, though it hasn't quite met that goal. On the other hand, WMP 10's primary advantage over iTunes--and it's a big one--is that it's extensible by third party services, and can host those services.

Ergo, insofar as it's a music player it tried to copy itunes and failed. Whatever you think of the other options that is a fact, and that is what is at issue here.


As he says in the original review:

quote: Today, Apple's iTunes is the simplest, most elegant media player available for any platform, and the release of WMP 10 doesn't change that.

Seems like he thinks itunes is a better media player there. Are you telling me he is contradicting himself now?

Perhaps he's changed his mind since the review. Doesn't change the fact that this is what he said.

	20-01-2005 03:38									#93
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quote: You're foolish at best. Semprons have more cache and run at better speeds. They are basically Athlon XPs but better. Celerons are horrid.

Semprons are about as good as Durons. Which is to say, worthless. I won't disagree with you on the horribleness of Celerons, though.

quote: No it is not. It can't be. Why? It isn't useful. Again Apple forgets what the word "useful" means.

Do yourself a favor and divorce PPC from Apple in your mind. Please. Because PPC can be useful, and indeed, two of the next three consoles will be using the PPC platform, as well as several servers (including many that IBM makes). Furthermore, Genesi's Pegasos platform is also PPC-based, and has a lot of potential utility--most importantly, that of being a PPC workstation alternative to Apple. PPC is neither a bad nor a useless chip architecture.

quote: But there is a big damn problem here (pardon my harshness). Is the Mini Mac useful for the budget user? No it is not. Next case.

I never said it was useful for the budget user. I also never said it was something I'd buy, and I also never said I liked it on an individual basis. Hell, since you obviously don't remember, I've consistently been the one railing against non-expandable/upgradable computing machines, with a particular antipathy towards all-in-one boxes. If you read my comments again, you'll see that I mention only one situation in which the Mac Mini might be useful, and I myself state that I'm unconvinced at hits utility because of its price/performance ratio.

Dude, you're arguing against me, when, quite frankly, we're pretty much on the same side... Oi, Fez, you're almost as bad as Mr Nice Guy. At least you don't rant non-sensically about God, and I thank Him that you aren't a Mac fanboi, too.

	20-01-2005 03:41									#94
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quote: quote: I do believe that Microsoft tried to make WMP 10 as simple as iTunes, though it hasn't quite met that goal. On the other hand, WMP 10's primary advantage over iTunes--and it's a big one--is that it's extensible by third party services, and can host those services. Ergo, insofar as it's a music player it tried to copy itunes and failed. Whatever you think of the other options that is a fact, and that is what is at issue here.

He doesn't even suggest that WMP tried to copy iTunes... merely that they sought to make WMP as easy and simple to use as iTunes.

You're arguing, however, that making things "easier to use" is copying Apple... which is a bizarre claim to make.

	20-01-2005 03:47									#95
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quote: He doesn't even suggest that WMP tried to copy iTunes... merely that they sought to make WMP as easy and simple to use as iTunes.

Read the rest of the original articles. Several itunes features now appear in WMP. He even says that one's first look will make you think that itunes had been melded with WMP 9. That would be a bizarre thing to say if you weren't stating that WMP had been made "itunes-like".

	20-01-2005 03:50									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: You're foolish at best. Semprons have more cache and run at better speeds. They are basically Athlon XPs but better. Celerons are horrid. Semprons are about as good as Durons. Which is to say, worthless. I won't disagree with you on the horribleness of Celerons, though.

Apparently somebody doesn't read reviews.

quote: Please. Because PPC can be useful, and indeed, two of the next three consoles will be using the PPC platform, as well as several servers (including many that IBM makes). Furthermore, Genesi's Pegasos platform is also PPC-based, and has a lot of potential utility--most importantly, that of being a PPC workstation alternative to Apple. PPC is neither a bad nor a useless chip architecture.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Anything not AMD based is crap for me. No disputes about that. I will not change my mind.

quote: Dude, you're arguing against me, when, quite frankly, we're pretty much on the same side... Oi, Fez, you're almost as bad as Mr Nice Guy. At least you don't rant non-sensically about God, and I thank Him that you aren't a Mac fanboi, too.

MNG is a mac fanboy.

	20-01-2005 03:51									#97
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quote: Read the rest of the original articles. Several itunes features now appear in WMP.

I haven't read the articles, admittedly, so I can't really comment on those; but the quote you chose, in my opinion, doesn't support your claim.

quote: He even says that one's first look will make you think that itunes had been melded with WMP 9. That would be a bizarre thing to say if you weren't stating that WMP had been made "itunes-like".

Frankly, I don't see the resemblance...
Maybe it's the small fact that WMP has that very useful Stop button and iTunes doesn't, or the fact that iTunes has a very visible Burn button whereas WMP does't... not to mention the color scheme, button/feature placement differences...

	20-01-2005 03:52									#98
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SUF

	20-01-2005 03:53									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker SUF

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	20-01-2005 03:53									#100
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quote: Nope. Nope. Nope. Anything not AMD based is crap for me. No disputes about that. I will not change my mind.

Ah, now I see.
{Fez, Giancarlo} == AMD Fanboi

quote: MNG is a mac fanboy.

Well, at least we're in agreement about this...

	20-01-2005 03:53									#101
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Call me by my proper name.. Fanboi.. who spells boy with an i?

	20-01-2005 03:55									#102
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quote: Call me by my proper name.. Fanboi.. who spells boy with an i?

Okay, Fanboi.

It's somewhat derogatory to be called a Fanboi in the first place. Adding the i at the end makes it even worse... 'cause being a fanboi's as stupid as that Anvil song, Sk8r Boi or whatever it's called.

	20-01-2005 03:57									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Call me by my proper name.. Fanboi.. who spells boy with an i? Okay, Fanboi. It's somewhat derogatory to be called a Fanboi in the first place. Adding the i at the end makes it even worse... 'cause being a fanboi's as stupid as that Anvil song, Sk8r Boi or whatever it's called.

Actually, that sentence was meant to be split. My proper name is Giancarlo.

Fanboi is just silly. And quite rude.

	20-01-2005 03:58									#104
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quote: Actually, that sentence was meant to be split. My proper name is Giancarlo.

I know, Fanboi. It's just that the way you wrote it is ambiguous enough that my interpretation of it is quite funny. Besides, until you wrote that, I did call you occasionally by Giancarlo...

quote: Fanboi is just silly. And quite rude.

...

But...

That's what you are... an AMD fanboi, Fanboi...

	20-01-2005 03:59									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Actually, that sentence was meant to be split. My proper name is Giancarlo. I know, Fanboi. It's just that the way you wrote it is ambiguous enough that my interpretation of it is quite funny.

It wasn't meant to be funny.

quote: But... That's what you are... an AMD fanboi, Fanboi...

Shut up, you. I'm a sexy boi..

	20-01-2005 04:00									#106
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quote: It wasn't meant to be funny.

But... it was.

quote: I'm a sexy boi..

Well, I provide nothing to counter that... therefore, I have no choice but to let that point stand.

	20-01-2005 04:53									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Of course you ask a blanket and misleading question that is somewhat to the side of what we have been arguing about.

How was it a misleading question? I was very careful in how I asked because I knew you'd try to weasel out -- it's a direct quote I used. It's exactly what you said, word for word. It's exactly what I was arguing.

quote: That doesn't change anything.

Of course it doesn't. You're under Apple's infamous Reality Distortion Field.

You spew garbage endlessly about what the guy is trying to say, I try to correct you many times. I end up going to him and asking him what he meant, and what he meant is exactly what I thought he meant.

Still, in the face of the author himself clarifying his position, you still try to say he meant something else.

This is a classic example of what happens to followers of the Apple Cult. Completely blind, nonsensical fanatics...

	20-01-2005 04:55									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed It's somewhat derogatory to be called a Fanboi in the first place. Adding the i at the end makes it even worse... 'cause being a fanboi's as stupid as that Anvil song, Sk8r Boi or whatever it's called.

I'm surprised no one mentioned that AMD's losing money again.

As I've said to Fez and other AMD-zealots many, many times -- AMD makes the occasional excellent chip, but their business and management side is a complete farce. The company is never going to be anything but a niche player. That niche changes depending how good its product is -- right now it's an enthusiast chip, in the past they were value chips.

Either way, they're not in the same league, business-wise, as Intel.

	20-01-2005 04:59									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Read the rest of the original articles. Several itunes features now appear in WMP. He even says that one's first look will make you think that itunes had been melded with WMP 9. That would be a bizarre thing to say if you weren't stating that WMP had been made "itunes-like".

WMP features have made it into iTunes as well, though.

One of my original complaints with the original iTunes was that it didn't have a "mini-mode" player ala WMP and Winamp. Sure enough, it did in a future version.

Did it ever occur to you that the "melding" comment cuts both ways? He didn't focus on what iTunes got from WMP because it was a WMP review, not an iTunes review.

The point -- as I've said a thousand times now, and as Paul has said clearly himself -- is that both products are becoming easier to use and simpler for the average end user. This does not mean MS is "copying" Apple or anything of the sort, like you want to infer.

	20-01-2005 07:40									#110
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quote: How was it a misleading question? I was very careful in how I asked because I knew you'd try to weasel out -- it's a direct quote I used. It's exactly what you said, word for word. It's exactly what I was arguing.

It's a misleading question because it doesn't address what we were talking about. He doesn't want to say it is inferior straight out because he wants to give MS kudos for multiple music stores - his favourite beef with itunes.

But look at the original article. He notes how WMP is adding itunes features and how it has become more itunes like as a media player, and then he says it isn't as good. Plain as day.

In some respects it's apples and oranges, because itunes doesn't play video or do the other stuff, but it is pretty clear from the original article that he thinks it is better at what it does, and WMP tried to do the same but fell short.

If he wants to back out of it now, that's not my problem. But that's what he said in his original reviews - and I suspect he was just being diplomatic in his email.

quote: The point -- as I've said a thousand times now, and as Paul has said clearly himself -- is that both products are becoming easier to use and simpler for the average end user.

Sorry, not what the original article says. As he points out it looks like a cross between itunes and WMP 9. There would be no point to such a comment if MS wasn't trying to copy itunes simplicity. And any doofus who looks can see that they were.

quote: One of my original complaints with the original iTunes was that it didn't have a "mini-mode" player ala WMP and Winamp. Sure enough, it did in a future version.

IIRC it did.

	20-01-2005 08:29									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo SUK SUK SUK SUK

You know, that's funny - this is the first time someone's made an acrononym to express the desire that I leave the thread, whereas that's a common response to your posts.

	20-01-2005 09:28									#112
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As has been said before, I don't see why anybody would use itunes or WMP just to listen to music when there's winamp or foobar out there.

If I want to play music I pick the application that easily lets me play music.

	20-01-2005 09:57									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm surprised no one mentioned that AMD's losing money again.

quote: The loss includes charges totaling $49 million, or 13 cents a share, for the conversion and retirement of debt. Excluding the charges, AMD's per-share earnings were less than the 8-cent profit that analysts were expecting.

Missing some details there, Asher?

quote: Originally posted by Asher Either way, they're not in the same league, business-wise, as Intel.

Itanic

	20-01-2005 10:40									#114
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And yet, UR, Intel is almost always in the black, whereas AMD is often in the red.

Yes, Intel has made some stumbles recently, but... odds are, they'll be a healthy company for a good long while. Ie, if they were a person, unlike AMD, Intel isn't living from paycheck to paycheck.

	20-01-2005 11:46									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Nano-ITX is even smaller. The whole buzz around the Mac Mini is strange to me. Similar products have been out for ages, and now it's suddenly a new and original thing?

eeer excuse me, but i dont want to have a CPU by VIA(???), i'd like an amd please....

	20-01-2005 11:55									#116
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and btw, you boys stop with the characterizations or i'll bring ming in....

	20-01-2005 12:26									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed And yet, UR, Intel is almost always in the black, whereas AMD is often in the red.

That's true, but it's not because of managerial blunders as asserted by Asher.

quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Yes, Intel has made some stumbles recently, but... odds are, they'll be a healthy company for a good long while. Ie, if they were a person, unlike AMD, Intel isn't living from paycheck to paycheck.

Yup, Intel has massive reserves so it could afford to make mistakes, I am not disputing that, either.

	20-01-2005 18:56									#118
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Me an AMD Fan boi? How funny. I think AMD has a strangle-hold on the future because of it superior processor line. Asher says something about business qualities.. hahahahahah.... I think I'm going to crack up.

	20-01-2005 19:59									#119
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG eeer excuse me, but i dont want to have a CPU by VIA(???), i'd like an amd please....

Via just made the nano-ITX spec...you can use whatever CPU you want.

	20-01-2005 20:01									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Missing some details there, Asher?

Nope. Even without the debt (which is another AMD management issue), they still made a laughable profit, and were even below expectations as well.