17-01-2005 15:13									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Were those the people trying to kick the British out of Ireland? I'd be glad to, the British starved and murdered millions of Irish. Are you justifying that?

No, they'd the be the talking heads for the bastards that set bombs in London, Manchester, Birmingham and elsewhere that blew up shoppers and people in pubs.

Do try to keep up.

Of course, you could try to justify the IRA bombing campaign with the potatoe famine. You and a couple of other fanatics.

	17-01-2005 15:27									#62
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quote: No, they'd the be the talking heads for the bastards that set bombs in London, Manchester, Birmingham and elsewhere that blew up shoppers and people in pubs.

Why?

quote: Do try to keep up.

I'm way ahead of you, but I have to lead you thru the process of "critical thinking" and you're taking longer than most people.

quote: Of course, you could try to justify the IRA bombing campaign with the potatoe famine. You and a couple of other fanatics.

I haven't even justified McVeigh's bombing in Okla City. But why let facts get in your way?

	17-01-2005 15:29									#63
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What are you on about then?

	17-01-2005 15:31									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Because Tim McVeigh blew that building up because of injustices he saw...injustices millions saw or learned about. He wasn't a loon, he was mad as hell at the government.

WTF is this? This sounds an awefully lot like 'he was right' to me.

	17-01-2005 15:45									#65
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Why don't we cut to the chase, Berz?

Do you approve of what McVeigh did in Oklahoma City?

Do you approve of the IRA bombing campaign in England?

Do you approve of suicide bombers in Israel?

Do you approve of AQ launching civilian airliners as missiles at New York?

When you justify it, you can be interpreted as approving of it. Of course there are reasons that each action happened. The point is/was is it right to take the fight to unarmed civies?

Do you want to understand the animals that take unjustifiable steps to fight an enemy by targeting civilians? How much better and worthy of understanding are they than the Son of Sam?

	17-01-2005 16:30									#66
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quote: WTF is this? This sounds an awefully lot like 'he was right' to me.

It's called "motive", the reason someone has for acting a particular way. If I was justifying what he did, I would have said he was right to blow that building up. I merely explained why he did it because you can't fathom that Reagan's militarisation of law enforcement had negative consequences.

quote: Why don't we cut to the chase, Berz?

You keep ducking my request for a quote to back up your slander.

quote: Do you approve of what McVeigh did in Oklahoma City?

No, do you approve of what happened at Waco and Ruby Ridge?

quote: Do you approve of the IRA bombing campaign in England?

No, do you approve of what the British have done to the Irish for centuries?

quote: Do you approve of suicide bombers in Israel?

No, do you approve of Israelis murdering Arabs?

quote: Do you approve of AQ launching civilian airliners as missiles at New York?

No, do you approve of US complicity in the slaughter of more than a million Muslims?

quote: When you justify it, you can be interpreted as approving of it.

Where did I justify any of this? Use an actual quote and not something I said that "sounds like" I did.

quote: Of course there are reasons that each action happened. The point is/was is it right to take the fight to unarmed civies?

Ah, so when you identify these links in the chain of cause and effect, you're not justifying murder. But when I do I am justifying murder?

quote: Do you want to understand the animals that take unjustifiable steps to fight an enemy by targeting civilians?

If I need to learn more, I sure as hell won't ask you.

quote: How much better and worthy of understanding are they than the Son of Sam?

Do you see why?

	17-01-2005 21:00									#67
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There was a thread about this at Counter Glow.

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What, pray tell, is the argument for not trying to understand people like the Son of Sam?

	17-01-2005 21:04									#69
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Kneeing jerks

Jerking period.

	17-01-2005 21:21									#70
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Interesting threadjack- not even tangential.

Oh, Sprayber:


WAKE UP!

	17-01-2005 21:36									#71
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Why don't they face down FBI officers in the streets, or attack army barracks? 'Cause they would get their cowardly butts kicked? You want to fight? Fight people who are armed and can defend themselves. You want to be cowards? Bomb buildings with civies and kids in them. Did the Minute Men seek out British civies and shot them, or did they seek out the British Army and engage them?

There weren't all that many British civvies around, actually. And there were... repercussions... for being a loyalist

	18-01-2005 07:23									#72
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I was also outraged, and mentioned it in a post. I didn't start a thread, as I could hardly believe there wasn't already one.

Sorry sign of the times that 'Polys take such a story in stride. But then again, these are not normal times.

And all going down with taxpayer money. As many have already asked, can you imagine the uproar if this had happened during the Clinton admin?

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Were those the people trying to kick the British out of Ireland? I'd be glad to, the British starved and murdered millions of Irish. Are you justifying that?

I don't think Timothy McVeigh gave a flip about Ireland, or the John Doe #2 that was in the truck with him.

	18-01-2005 08:08									#74
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GePap, you can relax now.

I just learned that FCC master gumshoe Micheal Powell has just launched an investigation.

While Armstrong's payola scandal is doubtless a far less serious outrage than exposing the nation's terrified viewers to a glimpse of woman's teat (think of the indignation babies are subjected to daily!), at least it's reassuring that one of the nation's moral titans is on the case.

I read a blogger somewhere who undertook a campaign to email every prominent conservative journalist to directly ask them if they received funding from the White House. He was publishing a list of those who refused to reply. Would be nice to play that out in the national media, where real pressure to declare could be focused. Interesting to see if any other talking moles can be smoked out.

	18-01-2005 08:09									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker To your last question, yes to both. Brit sympathisers were often executed. But get off your ******* high horse long enough to quote me.

Non-military Brit sympathizers were generally tar and feathered, a punishment which was embarassing and irritating, but seldom fatal, unless they decided to heat the tar first.

	18-01-2005 08:10									#76
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye GePap, you can relax now. I just learned that FCC master gumshoe Micheal Powell has just launched an investigation. While Armstrong's payola scandal is doubtless a far less serious outrage than exposing the nation's terrified viewers to a glimpse of woman's teat (think of the indignation babies are subjected to daily!), at least it's reassuring that one of the nation's moral titans is on the case. I read a blogger somewhere who undertook a campaign to email every prominent conservative journalist to directly ask them if they received funding from the White House. He was publishing a list of those who refused to reply. Would be nice to play that out in the national media, where real pressure to declare could be focused. Interesting to see if any other talking moles can be smoked out.

Ted Striker supports boobs.

	18-01-2005 09:35									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker It's called "motive", the reason someone has for acting a particular way. If I was justifying what he did, I would have said he was right to blow that building up. I merely explained why he did it because you can't fathom that Reagan's militarisation of law enforcement had negative consequences.

Relax, Berz. I was looking for a fight and you gave it to me. Have to grant that you are a game duck.

I do think you are looking a little hard for justifications for something I find unjustifiable though. In the mean time, it seems I have an opportunity to Canuck the thread, so thanks.

	18-01-2005 10:04									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker There weren't all that many British civvies around, actually. And there were... repercussions... for being a loyalist

You might be surprised. First though, you have to understand that many people who were not living in the British Isles thought of themselves as British. Not English, or Irish, Welsh, or Scots directly, but still British.

The wik link I have is written a bit strangely (the guy is awkward in imitating a formal style) but the significance for Canada of the Revolution and the United Empire Loyalists (ie, Brits of the New World) is there to be seen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Empire_Loyalists

In essence, three of the original five Canadian provinces were colonised largely by refugees from the Revolutionary War. There were that many of them (the refugees) and those who came here underwent some significant hardships to remain with the Crown. It's not mentioned in the link, but many others went South to the Caribbean.

The influence of the Loyalists in Canada runs strongly for 150 years or more. One King, One Flag, One Fleet, One Empire, from the early 20th century when Canadians opted to fund RN dreadnaughts rather than building our own, comes from the feeling of the people here that they were British first and from some colony second. It isn't until after the shock of the First war and then the trials of the Second that Canadians sought to cement our own unique nationality.

Incidently, anyone born in Canada as late as 1946 was born a British subject, so who were those large numbers of people who fought against the Revolution directly, or who left when the Revolution succeeded?

	18-01-2005 10:29									#79
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither You might be surprised.

No.

quote: First though, you have to understand that many people who were not living in the British Isles thought of themselves as British. Not English, or Irish, Welsh, or Scots directly, but still British.

Yes. I know. Not the point.

quote: In essence, three of the original five Canadian provinces were colonised largely by refugees from the Revolutionary War. There were that many of them (the refugees) and those who came here underwent some significant hardships to remain with the Crown. It's not mentioned in the link, but many others went South to the Caribbean.

AFTER the Revolutionary War.

	18-01-2005 10:32									#80
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From roughly a third of the population of the 13 colonies. I wouldn't say there were not many British citizens around.

	18-01-2005 10:34									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Because Tim McVeigh blew that building up because of injustices he saw...injustices millions saw or learned about. He wasn't a loon, he was mad as hell at the government.

Um, I think it's pretty clear he was both mad at the government AND a loon.

	18-01-2005 10:35									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker AFTER the Revolutionary War.

They started moving away from areas dominated by Patriots in 1775.

	18-01-2005 10:42									#83
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We did a pretty good job of running off the Tories, yes. 80,000 loyalists fled from the colonies during and after the war. By comparison, only 10,000 royalists fled from France during the French Revolution.

	18-01-2005 11:43									#84
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10,000 wouldn't have jump-started Canada. Prior to that there was only the Montreal-Quebec corridor and some very small settlements in Nova Scotia.

It took a catastrophe and some seriously motivated individuals to settle some of the rest of this country where temperatures go to -30c for weeks on end and the mosquito was your constant friend when the temperature rose above 0.

Canada wasn't hospitable, by and large. That's why it took some motivation on the part of the colonists to settle it. For Ontario it was the Revolution. For the Prairies it was immense population pressure in Europe and the prospect of free land.

	18-01-2005 19:34									#85
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Why don;t you threadjackers create you own thread for the rather interesting discussion, HMMM? Then we can discuss the endless slimeminess of this administration in greater depth.

	18-01-2005 19:38									#86
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This is thier thread now GePap.

	18-01-2005 19:43									#87
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc This is thier thread now GePap.

So DD, whats your take on this whole situation? How many people do you expect to resign over this one? Too bad Paige left already- but someone must be left at the Department of Education who helped in this fiasco.

Oh, and what do you think Williams should do?

	18-01-2005 19:47									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Ted Striker supports boobs.

Ted Striker is a bra?

	18-01-2005 19:53									#89
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quote: Originally posted by GePap So DD, whats your take on this whole situation?

I dunno. We do seem to have been quite effective at chasing loyalists out of the US. However, I don't know enough about the situation to comment more than that.

	18-01-2005 20:00									#90
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Ha ha

So Rather and the CBS crew are overeager to move on a story they did not check, and heads should roll! OMG BIAS!!, whatever.

The government uses tax payer money to pay someone to shill for the government, and you avoid it like Bill avoids Hillary.

Good to see your "gives a ****" is consistent....