25-01-2005 12:45									#31
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hmm ... numbers people not just names Have too many things to keep track of in me little head ...

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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot well there ya go looks like I need glasses now which country will I invade first then.........

actually none as it seems as though we are entrenched in where and when to start a war?

(guess which one is Paddy? )

	26-01-2005 07:14									#33
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Do you have all you need? I will play any of the civs - including Italy.

	26-01-2005 11:00									#34
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okay Beta, Italy it is ... It's probably going to be a random map start so Italy isn't so bad. I'll try to get it worked out later this week - I have a lot on my plate and a very small fork at the moment ... so much for 2 days off helping me to organize my thoughts! I ended up playing a huge/16 SP game all the two days and getting totally hooked ... 2 continents and I'm only the dominant on 1 continent, so it might actually be COMPETITIVE late game!!! Blah ... anywho i'll try my best to bust out some prototypes later this week ... sigh

	26-01-2005 11:04									#35
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You mean we're not playing on a map of Europe?

	26-01-2005 11:18									#36
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Well ... I thought the consensus was to play it on random map. But then again i'm not sure there is much of a consensus ...

The problem being that there's not a good MP WWI scenario, so we'd either have to start anew on a map of europe (could do), or start anew on a random map, but either way with the initial diplo situation ...

What do you all prefer of those two choices?

	26-01-2005 11:26									#37
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Concensus

with this lot

when we all are looking at war... with this lot

	26-01-2005 15:20									#38
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Paddy is scaring me. . . . .

I'd like a map of Europe.

	26-01-2005 17:20									#39
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and war is hell..i say go for it with a random map..but heck all we got is time.playing or talk about playing da game

	26-01-2005 17:45									#40
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Hmm, I'm not interested in a WW1 scenario that isn't set in Europe.

	26-01-2005 17:51									#41
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My interest was with a map of Europe as well. Maybe the Crusades map would work.

	26-01-2005 18:13									#42
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ahh the crusades map would be good

	26-01-2005 18:21									#43
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That's a fine map but where would North Africa fit into WW1? Who was controlling it at that time? Sorry, my knowledge of that time period is a bit sketchy.

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quote: Originally posted by Masuro Hmm, I'm not interested in a WW1 scenario that isn't set in Europe.

good point..i concur

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quote: Originally posted by Masuro That's a fine map but where would North Africa fit into WW1? Who was controlling it at that time? Sorry, my knowledge of that time period is a bit sketchy.

If you will recall Lawrence of Arabia et al. Large areas were still controlled by the old Ottoman Empire, ie the Turks, and the colonial influnce was strong in other areas.

We could leave it open - or I can do some further research and see who was in control of what.

	27-01-2005 15:43									#46
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Thanks for filling me in. ^^

	27-01-2005 15:49									#47
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http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_...xt_n2/ww_1.html

Here's one map of Europe during that time period. Maybe someone can find a better one with city names?

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quote: Originally posted by Masuro http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_...xt_n2/ww_1.html Here's one map of Europe during that time period. Maybe someone can find a better one with city names?

looks good to me

	27-01-2005 19:44									#49
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Great! I'm still in with whatever you folks decide. I'm keeping an eye on this thread everyday too so I'm following along.

	31-01-2005 22:02									#50
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cool

so when will this one start ???

	31-01-2005 22:13									#51
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Hmm... I'm not sure I have time atm to make the significant changes that would be required to use a premade map ... and do people want cities to be there to begin with, or start from scratch? I obviously misread the opinions earlier so I want to check again ...

	01-02-2005 07:21									#52
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well..im kewl with a random map..thats me..

	01-02-2005 07:26									#53
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Settling is a bit boring for me. I'd rather have the cities already laid out like in the Napolean scenario.

Maybe we should just do the Napolean Scenario

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quote: Originally posted by Masuro Settling is a bit boring for me. I'd rather have the cities already laid out like in the Napolean scenario. Maybe we should just do the Napolean Scenario

and call it wwi?

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quote: Originally posted by Masuro That's a fine map but where would North Africa fit into WW1? Who was controlling it at that time? Sorry, my knowledge of that time period is a bit sketchy.

Actually quite possibly WWI was caused in part by North Africa, or specifically German screwups involving it. Germany tried to get involved in the continent, and failed miserably, in the first decade of the 20th century; that not only put them in an adverserial position with Britain, but it also convinced the Kaiser that his best option was to go to war in Europe rather than trying to pursue colonial ambitions.

It's been a while since i learned the specifics, but I believe Morrocco or Tunisia was the area in question at the time ...

	01-02-2005 07:44									#56
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WW1, the Prequel

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then that does it

Lets roll with the game


If its a sticking point I will be the sandbuggers of Tunisia

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Hmm. Taking a look at Napoleonic era, I can make do with this and possibly fix it up a bit for WWI. Basically give it a whole new tech tree and change the units a bit, increase the drafting strategy (drastically higher number of draftable units, to go with the reality of WWI = essentially a draftee-based war), and fix a few of the nations up.

I suspect we have 6 well playable nations (Britain, France, Russia, Prussia, Austria, Ottomans) and 2 less so (Spain, Sweden). I would suggest Spain and Sweden either be buffed up a little (easily could be done for spain, less so for sweden) or just cut out and/or AIed.

Who wants to play what? We'd start with the Napoleonic MP version map, same cities, roughly similar units (but i'm changing the units, so they'd change a bit). I'll post my changes shortly.

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Okay, here's the tech list. -> is requires the above level tech (--> requires -> etc.); the immediately above, so fascism requires communism, flight requires automation, etc.

Nationalism [started: all] [rifleman] [mobilize/draft/MPP]
-> Communism [gov't] [police] [secret HQ]
--> Fascism [gov't]
-> Espionage [spies]

Steam Power [RR] [Ironclad] [started: all]
-> Industrialization [factory] [w. suffrage sm wonder] [coal plant]
--> Corporation [req: nationalism] [stock exch] [trade embargo]
---> Mil. Tactics [Heavy Cavalry] [Pentagon]
--> Replaceable Parts [infantry]
--> Automation [Machine Inf.] [Artillery]
---> Flight [req: replaceable parts][fighter]
Medicine [started: independents]
-> Electricity [destroyer] [workersx2] [irrigate w/o water]
-->Naval Sup. [req: industrialization] [battleship] [sub]
-> Sanitation [hospital] [flood plains no disease]

If this is confusing i'll try to put together an excel file soonish to make it look prettier.

	01-02-2005 09:56									#60
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Units:

STARTING UNITS

Rifleman: 5/6/1 COST: 80 shields
Cavalry: 6/4/3 COST: 90 shields
Cannon: B:12 Range: 1 ROF: 2 COST: 80 shields
Ironclad: 4/4/4 B:4 R:1 ROF:1 COST: 70 shields
Galleon: 1/2/5 COST: 40 shields

ADVANCED UNITS

Infantry 10/10/1 COST: 100 shields
Machine Infantry 6(12)/12/1 Bombard: 12 Range: 0 ROF: 3 COST: 150 shields
Adv Cavalry: 10/6/3 COST: 120 shields
Artillery: Bombard:18 Range: 2 ROF: 3 COST: 100 shields
Destroyer: 8/8/8 B: 12 Range: 2 ROF: 2 COST: 120 shields
Battleship: 12/12/6 B: 18 Range: 2 ROF: 3 COST: 210 shields
Submarine: 10/3/5 standard Sub advantages/disadvantages; COST: 140 shields
Transport: 1/5/7 COST: 80 shields
[edit: art'y,battleship down to 18; 24 was too high.]

The expectation is that most forces will end up composed defensively of some machine infantry and some regular infantry (MI are 12.5 shields/DP, Infantry are 10 shields/DP, but MI have bombard); offensive forces will be heavily organized around artillery (as no unit has greater attkc force than the defensive units, or even equal to) and infantry (as cavalry are more expensive for same offensive potential), with Cavalry produced either as quick responders or as quick strike forces. Naval battles might be interesting - there are a decent amount of coastal cities, especially if Prussia goes after Britain, and also especially if we involve the independents (sweden and spain).

Please comment on the balances here etc. I tried to keep the typical civ balances, with respect to cost - upgrades should generally cost less per DP/OP at this point in the game than predecessors - and make a WWI faithful unit balance, encouraging lots of art'y and infantry fighting rather than the quick cavalry strikes of vanilla C3C.

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