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Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Cruddy
How much freedom and democracy are in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Egypt, compared to Iran?
All friends of GWB.
And the US is BY DEFINITION anti-Islam if it is pro Israel. Not my reading... but it certainly is the Muslim reading of the situation. |
Cruddy, first you list 5 Islamic countries that are alledged "friends of Bush." Then you call him anti-Islam because he supports Israel.
I call you and people like you anti-Semite, then, using your logic, because you oppose Israel.
When your actual thinking on this this topic is exposed and analyzed, it is as bigoted and irrational as I suspected.
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Quote: CBS news source
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In a leaked memo obtained from the British High Comission, CIA inteligence agencies have discovered what appears to be a agreement by the British to secretly arm the Iranian Army with small yeild nuclear missiles, in the event of any hostile actions from the American Forces based in the Middle East.
News from the Whitehouse reguarding this memo has not been forthcoming, but sources close to the President have said that he had been furious and immediately got on the phone to the British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
From the UK our own reporters have uncovered further information that this agreement had the backing of other European countries, notably both France and Germany and it was being seen as a measure to ‘stabilise the growing amount of tension in the Middle East’ .
Rumour has it that promises made to Tony Blair by President Bush, which have not been forthcoming forced the hand of the Prime Minister who is widely believed to loose the up-coming domestic elections.
We will hope to have some news from the Whitehouse shortly. |
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:30
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In a leaked memo obtained from the British High Comission, CIA inteligence agencies have discovered what appears to be a agreement by the British to secretly arm the Iranian Army with small yeild nuclear missiles, in the event of any hostile actions from the American Forces based in the Middle East.
News from the Whitehouse reguarding this memo has not been forthcoming, but sources close to the President have said that he had been furious and immediately got on the phone to the British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
From the UK our own reporters have uncovered further information that this agreement had the backing of other European countries, notably both France and Germany and it was being seen as a measure to ‘stabilise the growing amount of tension in the Middle East’ .
Rumour has it that promises made to Tony Blair by President Bush, which have not been forthcoming forced the hand of the Prime Minister who is widely believed to loose the up-coming domestic elections.
We will hope to have some news from the Whitehouse shortly. |
With typos, Brittishisms, bad jounralistic standards, outrageous claims resembling conspiracy theories, and no link, it does look like a joke 
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:30
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Oh yeah, right, we're such a promoter of democracy.  Yup, all our little democratic allies in the ME . . . hmmm, Israel and Turkey, and it was the Euros who pushed Turkey, not us. Yup, we're really doing a bang up job.  |
The US government is pushing reforms on Egypt, Jordan and Saudia, which involve decentralization of power, democratic education, women rights and so forth. The reforms are a demand made in exchange for US funds and defense treaties.
The US could have demanded more reforms in a single time - but that would have either lead to instability or to a cut in ties with the US.
Meanwhile the EU is pushing turkey from a democratic status quo to an islamic revolution, by making demands to decrease the power of the military, which in turkey is a pillar of democracy.
Jordan is also moving towards democracy, though it has suffered some setbacks, usually because of Islamic opposition. It is opening up to western media and democratic values such as equality, liberty, free speech and so on.
Abu Mazen, who won by a 62% of less than a million votes, is still a more democratic choise than Arafat, and supports a live multi-party political system, even at the cost of criticism from his own Fatah party.
In conclusion - you're a goofball.
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:30
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If you believe that the very significant advances in civil liberties, human rights, and transparent governance in Turkey during the past few years are less notable than the anemic advances in a place like Egypt, you're absolutely delusional. It wasn't too long ago that your "pillar of democracy" was involved in a genocide; Erdogan (the evil anti-democratic Islamist), with European (the Islamist sympathizers) pressure cleaned up many of the worst excesses of the Turkish state. OTOH, Mubarak extended his emergency laws only something like a year and a half ago (as an aside, he publicly justified it by citing the clampdown on civil liberties in the US). But because the Likudniks didn't mention any of this, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Anyways, an army having a veto on the electorate doesn't go very well with democracy, by definition. And such secular authoritarianism helps the Islamist ideology thrive in the long term.
Of course I'm just a dumb red who can't understand superior beings such as yourself.
Last edited by Ramo on 23-01-2005 at 05:46
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:30
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Originally posted by Spiffor
Britain won't slap the hand away anytime soon. They might not actively support Bush in his next aggression, but they won't dispute the necessity of a geopolitical cooperation with the US. And they'll continue to provide peacekeepers.
The US has a real interest in having France and Germany board the same boat once again. Currently, the US is stuck because its troops are peacekeeping in Iraq - a job for which they aren't made, and a waste fo resources that could be better used bombing some other country. If France/Germany take a part in the peacekeeping job next time (it won't happen in Iraq anymore), the US will save precious resourses. |
You're assuming the Yanks give a **** what the French feel since 1960. They don't. The Republic proved it's worth in the 60's, and that was not much.
Germany might smart a little, but it isn't going to disuade the Yanks from anything they want to do.
As far as needing the support of a country that never lent support, no matter what, and a country that is constitutionally bound not to lend support. 'So what?' was loudly heard to echo around Capital Hill.
You have a seriously deluded impression of the place of France, Germany, and the EU in the world.
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