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I downloaded it and will take a look.
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OK
I took a look.
First, there were no nasty surprises. So far so good.
Yang is still at war with Sparta which is good. I am worried a little bit if Sprata may start to devour the Hive. With the Command Nexus a littl mass (which they have), their SE bonuses, and the fact that the Hive is th AI they stand a god chance of eating te Hive up.
Second, I had no success in getting anyone to talk to me in diplomacy. That may change after we were to move units, but only the turn player can do that.
Third, I reviewed our production plan. Things look to be coming along nicely. We should be able tu rush several CP and probes this turn. We should start some SC's for more min output and reserve minerals in case we have to rush a military.
Fourth, I think we should bring the trnsport back to our ets oast load up ouple of probes and try to get some mor tech out of Uni before Sparta probe defends that base. The Elite Spart probe in the Northern Uni base mkes me wonder howmany othe Elite units they have and where they are at.
Fifth, we need to continue to seek out the oth faction.
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How's the turn coming along?
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Originally posted by jtsisyoda
We'll just barely get two probe teams back to mendelev before we finish our research. With luck, we'll steal SotHB, switch to SFF, finish it the following turn, and start DAP. I propose we try to steal Opt Comp from Yang, to increase our chance of getting SotHB from Zak.
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When do we intend to take tech from Yang?
How about we wait until just before we probe Uni.
There is a chance that Yang might want to talk to us since we are no longer #2 on the powergraph (we are now #3).
We might (small chance, yes) be able to get a treaty from him. In any event, it is better that we are not at war with him to keep his focus on Sparta (to keep them busy), plus just in case one of his ships comes across one of our ships in the future.
Plus we can continue to use the probes near him to look for pods. the downside is that the probes may be discovered and destroyed before then. Plus, once we use them to probe Yang we may get tech, plus perhaps his map, plus they might survive the probe action and be available to us again for more usage.
Mead
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If we are going to probe Yang soon anyway, lets just make sure we try to commlink him before we probe.
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Originally posted by #endgame
If we want to probe Zak, we've got to do it before Mr. Mead sorts out what to with the Spartans.
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Please see my post in the diplomacy thread.
I intent to stall, stall, stall, for time.
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Originally posted by Whoha
How good of an idea is stealing from Yang? Will he be at war with everyone so that if we don't get a piece of him we'll be in trouble? are we strong enough to take a piece of him? |
I think we are strong enough, or will be within 5 turns.
I am a little happy that Sparta is a war with him, but at the same time am a little afriad that Sparta will start digesting Yang and won't leave us any scraps.
I think Sparta needs our cash to help them speed thier actions against Yang (and us).
This being said I am very reluctant to enter into any deal that helps Sparta. I'm almost at the point where if they offered to give us everything we are asking for in my posts to them I would find a way of not treatying.
How does this sound for a plan?
Continue to move our Gator Boats south with the hope of meeting the other factions;
Load up the transport for another tech acquision from Uni; and
Prepare to Gator probe tech from Yang from a more southern base (this will help us in that once (hopefully it survives with a morale upgrade) our Gator does the action it will return home and the more northern cities will not have sevurity interlocks yet, making future probe actions ther easier.
I have a couple of questions:
How much would it cost to probe Yang's cities and how long until we expect airpower?
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Originally posted by AndiD
Regarding research (more or less unrelated): We are currently on the verge of overcoming a certain threshold - that is, the advantages the AIs had at the beginning of the game. Gaia and Angels are clearly lagging behind (and both factions aren't really research powerhouses at this stage of the game) and I would certainly bet that we can be the best researcher on planet (without depending on others) in a couple of years, when we find time to invest in a few more Network Nodes. We shouldn't wait too long until the tech cost becomes too high IMO. |
I know making a research hospital at Morgan Industries will be expensive, but do we want to get one built there?
The sooner we get it built the sooner we start reaping the rewards.
Mead
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Perhaps its even worth cashing the half-an-SP on wheels to get it early.
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Originally posted by Mead
I think we are strong enough, or will be within 5 turns.
I am a little happy that Sparta is a war with him, but at the same time am a little afriad that Sparta will start digesting Yang and won't leave us any scraps.
I think Sparta needs our cash to help them speed thier actions against Yang (and us).
This being said I am very reluctant to enter into any deal that helps Sparta. I'm almost at the point where if they offered to give us everything we are asking for in my posts to them I would find a way of not treatying.
How does this sound for a plan?
Continue to move our Gator Boats south with the hope of meeting the other factions;
Load up the transport for another tech acquision from Uni; and
Prepare to Gator probe tech from Yang from a more southern base (this will help us in that once (hopefully it survives with a morale upgrade) our Gator does the action it will return home and the more northern cities will not have sevurity interlocks yet, making future probe actions ther easier.
I have a couple of questions:
How much would it cost to probe Yang's cities and how long until we expect airpower?
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Well, i like the stall with the spartans, but we should be wary to do open acts of agression. And probestealing of the university is such an act. If we can do it without the spartans noticing its ok.
With the vendetta on the hive i would still wait a bit. AI is not very good in spreading his units, so in a few turns all attack units should be near the spartan border, what is far away from us  . BTW we should keep track of the hive losses vs the spartans. We can do that, dont we?
What will be our attitude vs the angels and gaians when we meet them. Their reseach should be behind, so are we trading then or something like "u can chose between a treaty or a vendetta, your choice". If the gaians have much native units, that can be a problem.
I think we should paint the spartans as the most dangerous faction on the planet.
another thing: what will be the chance that sparta is gonna probe our cash reserves away?
greetz, SafaN
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Originally posted by -SafaN-
Well, i like the stall with the spartans, but we should be wary to do open acts of agression. And probestealing of the university is such an act. If we can do it without the spartans noticing its ok.
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Unless we agree not to (which I have no plans on doing so) I see no problem with prob stealing from Uni.
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With the vendetta on the hive i would still wait a bit. AI is not very good in spreading his units, so in a few turns all attack units should be near the spartan border, what is far away from us . BTW we should keep track of the hive losses vs the spartans. We can do that, dont we?
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My idea is to hold off probing the Hive until just before we probe Uni again. I hope we send our gator boats south to better meet the Gaians and DA, as well as probe a more southern Hive base.
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What will be our attitude vs the angels and gaians when we meet them. Their reseach should be behind, so are we trading then or something like "u can chose between a treaty or a vendetta, your choice". If the gaians have much native units, that can be a problem.
I think we should paint the spartans as the most dangerous faction on the planet.
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I have no problem with trading tech with them. We'll see what they have to offer. Maybe it will be cash, or maybe it will just be a treaty, which is still good.quote:
another thing: what will be the chance that sparta is gonna probe our cash reserves away?
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I think all of our cities are probe protected with double protection in a few more vulnerable ones.
Sparta will have to kill the probes before they start to take the cash. That will require either multiple probes, or a combined conventional assualt with probes to cleanup later.
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COO, Morgan Industries, ACDG3
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time: 00:29
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Regarding the Spartans not wanting us to steal from Uni... we'd miss out on 400+ free lab points (I forget the exact tech cost). Add the 100-300 ec they want as penalty, and the cost of a treaty is extremely high. However, we have to invest heavily in Plasma Garrisons. We'd have to do that regardless, though, because the Angels or Gaians might land some troops, or the Spartans might still backstab us even with a treaty. (Self-described most evil faction, btw.)
Should we lobby first for a truce? We could pay the 48 ec (or maybe 60) to settle our debt, and then go from there as far as what it takes to get a treaty or pact? With a truce, they'd have to notify us if they took probe action.
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Originally posted by AndiD
Advantages for clean is the massive army of formers building forest, sensors (!!), boreholes (!!), rather than garrisons. For building clean garrisons, build unclean first and upgrade later.
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True.
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Building crawlers first, then garrisons requires a bit of additional discipline - there may be other things to build by then. (Are we building crawlers at the moment??)
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Tragically, no. I think in the next round of building we will place a strong emphasis on crawlers, yes?
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Morgan's big timesaver advance: either rush-build with cash or upgrade with cash instead of building everything.
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I have no problem going for a truce, but would that mean we can't tech probe Uni?
I fail to see the benefit for Sparta of a truce (what would it do for them).
What it means to them would be that we are afraid of them.
I may be overanalyzing this, but,
With us being silent it may mean that we are activly planning offensive actions against (probe actions, because we have nothing else). This may cause them to behave more defensively. Which is good for us.
I'll can keep talking with them to see if we can treaty. I think a truce is of limited value (OK, if they meet one of our ships on the open seas then it might mean they don't attack it). It signals that we really are afraid and they can break the truce any time they want.
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