27-01-2005 04:33									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon If Putin wants to make them slaves, it's fine by me.

They already are.

(I suppose that's a pun, because their etnic group is called Slave. The english word slave comes from the Vikings bringing home Slaves from the East as slaves)

	27-01-2005 04:33									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I still don't see what is wrong with having democratically elected politicians (i.e. the voice of the people) take decisions in a company. Especially when these decisions aim at meeting the interest of the people, such as giving them employment.

nothing wrong with it. Most coops run like this. The reason it isn't done much is that the people who fronted the capital to start the business retain control and don't see it as in their interest to surrender such control for free.

The US government certainly doesn't work to discourage such arrangments however.

	27-01-2005 04:34									#93
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quote: Having been there I'd have to say... No, no it didn't.

Yeah it did. The violence started to go up as US action became imminent.

Besides, you spent the whole time supporting the terrorist KLA.

	27-01-2005 04:50									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I still don't see what is wrong with having democratically elected politicians (i.e. the voice of the people) take decisions in a company. Especially when these decisions aim at meeting the interest of the people, such as giving them employment.

The problems arise from the fact that the politicians don't always make decisions which are in the long term interests of the people as a whole and instead make decisions which are based only on their own political careers.

By letting management concentrate on what is best for the business instead of what is best for the politicians you endup with healthier companies in the long run. The more healthy companies a country has the better off its economy is going to be.

	27-01-2005 04:52									#95
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quote: Originally posted by GePap What you described is corruption. Public companies should NOt be controlled by politicians, but bureaucrats and technocrats.

By it's very nature a nationalized company is controlled by the government... which is controlled by politicians.

It is difficult to keep the two areas seporate and constinent vigilance is required though even that doesn't always work. The better solution is to simply remove the politicians ability to meddle by privitizing the company.

	27-01-2005 04:57									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo Most coops run like this. The reason it isn't done much is that the people who fronted the capital to start the business retain control and don't see it as in their interest to surrender such control for free.

In my mind I find Co-Ops to be a much better arrangement since they are at least a private concern which isn't using tax payer money and which politicians can't readily abuse. We should have more Co-Ops and fewer nationalized companies.

From Aggie:

quote: Yeah it did. The violence started to go up as US action became imminent. Besides, you spent the whole time supporting the terrorist KLA.

The violience was going on for a year prior to that point though it did intensify when NATO got involved (naturally). I believe NATO made the right call given Slbo's track record in Bosnia and Croatia and likely their actions averted yet another bout of ethnic clensing. BTW we most certainly were not supporting the KLA and instead spent much of our time doing raids on villiages in order to capture Albanians who were commiting violence and to seize arms caches. As I recal the Italian Caribineri were very effective at this.

	27-01-2005 05:48									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin In my mind I find Co-Ops to be a much better arrangement since they are at least a private concern which isn't using tax payer money and which politicians can't readily abuse. We should have more Co-Ops and fewer nationalized companies.

true, I should have clarified that while i don't mind coops getting run this way, I see no reason to have the government playing this role for various businesses. I'd rather see tax free status for coops or something.

	27-01-2005 07:23									#98
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quote: Iraq has shown the weakness of American Military power- being able to unseat some tinpoint dictator is fine and dandy, but our inability to then control the area puts the whole militarist enterprise into deep question.

Negative ghostrider, it has shown the weakness of Americans political/civilian resolve.

	27-01-2005 07:27									#99
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quote: Negative ghostrider, it has shown the weakness of Americans political/civilian resolve.

That sounds like something Mussolini would say.

	27-01-2005 07:38									#100
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Really?

I thought it was closer to the tower guy from Top Gun, go figure.

I honestly don't think it is political reslove that is lacking, the politicials just know the people couldn't stomach an actual military campaign. They do after all have to deal with the likes of GePap and his NY clones.

I think that is cowardly on the politicians part, American's are notorious Monday morning quarterbacks so the ending is all that counts not the beginning.

	27-01-2005 07:44									#101
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark "The average Frenchman, like most Europeans, lives nearly four years longer than the average American. " does anyone actually attribute that to the French health care system, as opposed to lifestyle?

I agree that that is more effectively a result of the average Frenchman running for the hills at the sight of a militant poodle as opposed to any "health system" their government might provide..........

	27-01-2005 08:31									#102
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Are there any studies on how foreigners like American Democrat-style America? (I mean the one that had balls, 40 years ago, like as LBJ would have envisioned it).

I bet the numbers for it are about 110%. America's reputation has only temporarily suffered because of the recent minor ideological swing.

	27-01-2005 08:51									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: In the end it is a less dynamic model with slower average grow rates that means countries with more dynamic models will simply have the luxury of being able to afford higher margins of error to still reach the same goals. So some economists keep saying, but there is precious little evidence that this is true. We should shoot all the economists, it's not as if they benefit anyone.

Philosophers wouldn't recognize evidence if it bit them in the ass.

	27-01-2005 08:59									#104
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I see Ming closed my deadliest day thread - I predict this thread will be next

	27-01-2005 08:59									#105
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quote: Philosophers wouldn't recognize evidence if it bit them in the ass.

We recognize when we're being sold a bill. You guys are mostly charlatans.

	27-01-2005 09:00									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I see Ming closed my deadliest day thread - I predict this thread will be next

Why? The article is interesting.

	27-01-2005 09:02									#107
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because its anti American, er sorry anti Republican, er new world order, you ninny

of course we all dream of playing baseball and eating hotdogs

	27-01-2005 10:33									#108
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark "The average Frenchman, like most Europeans, lives nearly four years longer than the average American. " does anyone actually attribute that to the French health care system, as opposed to lifestyle?

It's hard to tell, but certainly the low health care access rates in America must play a role.

	27-01-2005 10:35									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin By it's very nature a nationalized company is controlled by the government... which is controlled by politicians.

It's in the shareholder's interest - the government - to have a profitable business.

	27-01-2005 10:55									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse because its anti American, er sorry anti Republican, er new world order, you ninny of course we all dream of playing baseball and eating hotdogs

hotdogs

	27-01-2005 11:25									#111
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Are there any studies on how foreigners like American Democrat-style America? (I mean the one that had balls, 40 years ago, like as LBJ would have envisioned it). I bet the numbers for it are about 110%. America's reputation has only temporarily suffered because of the recent minor ideological swing.

There's a difference about liking the US as a foreign country, and liking the US as a model country.

While I agree with you that a Democratic-led America would be considerably more popular than a Bush-led one, I don't think the international opinion about the US as a model of society will change that much.

	27-01-2005 11:56									#112
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quote: Originally posted by GePap No its not. Honestly, do you think "lifestyle" is enough for a 4 year difference in lifespans? I am sorry, but it seems a cheap and convinient answer.

Maybe the answer is cheap and convenient (and supersized!)?

	27-01-2005 11:59									#113
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark This is politics at the Ted Striker level (Euro US Blue State US Bush ) not analysis.

	27-01-2005 12:00									#114
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Mad props the original article, by the way.

The American Dream is officially dead.

We need a new model, as this one doesn't work anymore.

	27-01-2005 12:13									#115
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It isn't a criticism of the USA to say other countries don't aspire to the American dream or American style democracy.

I can't recall a single occasion where I heard an Australian say I wish we were more like the USA - except perhaps in business. That's because we have our own traditions and ideas about freedom which are shaped by our own history.

	27-01-2005 12:16									#116
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Are there any studies on how foreigners like American Democrat-style America? (I mean the one that had balls, 40 years ago, like as LBJ would have envisioned it). I bet the numbers for it are about 110%. America's reputation has only temporarily suffered because of the recent minor ideological swing.

I would believe that was the period when America went from popular to hated. Vietnam, anyone?

	27-01-2005 14:22									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed To be fair, South Korea emulated Japan's model... and the rest of Asia has emulated the South Korean and Japanese model for economic growth. Even Singapore.

I am not sure what you meant by "the Japanese model for economic growth."

	27-01-2005 14:32									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Adam Smith Philosophers wouldn't recognize evidence if it bit them in the ass.

Admit it, economics is just voodoo dressed up.

	27-01-2005 16:53									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I can't recall a single occasion where I heard an Australian say I wish we were more like the USA - except perhaps in business. That's because we have our own traditions and ideas about freedom which are shaped by our own history.

Good for you. Herearounds, last autumn the Liberal Youth Union ran a campaing under the slogan "We want it like in the States!".

I'll never understand why they won't just emigrate ...

	27-01-2005 16:54									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie They already are. (I suppose that's a pun, because their etnic group is called Slave. The english word slave comes from the Vikings bringing home Slaves from the East as slaves)

Actually, the ethnic group is called "Slav" in English.