28-01-2005 09:47									#1
	C3CDG: Speeding Up the Game Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

This is a combo-voting-thread for all of the ways we have of speeding up the game through unit manipulation slash AP.

Options are:

AP: Yes/No
Starting Settlers: 1,2,3,4,6 (5 is just wrong. )
Starting Warriors: 1,2,3,4,6
Starting Workers: 1,2,3,4,6
Starting Water: 60%/70%/80% water
Starting Map: small/normal map



One other thing I'll throw in there: to specifically speed up the midgame (where most combat occurs), we can consider reducing musketeer costs to 50 shields (from 60). It's something many have considered doing anyways (as musketeers cost too much for what they do compared to pikemen). I'm not suggesting it seperately, but if you like the idea say so in this thread.

A single choice in each of these describing your ultimate game would be what is asked for here (remember, team leaders only posting votes; please poll your team).

A majority (4 votes) means that single setting wins out.

A near majority (3 votes) wins unless the other 3 votes are all in one direction, in which case one step to that direction is suggested as a compromise, subject to approval (ie if 3 vote for "2 settlers" 2 vote for "4 settlers" and 1 votes for "6 settlers" a post will be made asking if "3 settlers" is acceptable to a majority; but if 3 vote for "2 settlers", 2 vote for "6 settlers", and 1 votes for "1 settler", then 2 settlers wins directly).

If no majority is reached at all (2 votes or less in each of 3 categories or more) then either a reasonable compromise is looked at as a group, or we do a runoff between fewer categories.

Oh, and write-in votes are allowed, as long as they're serious. I decree no bananas here please, unless you're part of team banana and really want to abstain.

Sound good?

Team leaders: (AP, set,work,war,map,water)
Snoopy369: NO, 6,3,3,small,60
Paddy:
Beta: NO, 2,2,2,small,60
Conqueror: NO, 2,2,2,small,60
Aqualung: NO, 3,3,2,small, 80
Scaeva:

Votes: No, 2 or 3 settlers, 2 or 3 workers, 2 warriors, small-60% water.

Last edited by snoopy369 on 29-01-2005 at 06:19

	28-01-2005 10:55									#2
	Re: C3CDG: Speeding Up the Game Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 One other thing I'll throw in there: to specifically speed up the midgame (where most combat occurs), we can consider reducing musketeer costs to 50 shields (from 60). It's something many have considered doing anyways (as musketeers cost too much for what they do compared to pikemen).

Given that Musketmen are defensive units, I think that reducing their cost would slow down the midgame, not speed it up.

	28-01-2005 11:01									#3
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I would think it would allow you to spend less on defensive units and more on offensive ... but perhaps I be wrong, i haven't actually played a PBEM game with this. (I was also going to suggest decreasing the cost of Cavalry, but thought I would be laughed at ... )

	28-01-2005 13:50									#4
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I'd favour to leave the game as it is. If we want to make adjustments, there's been talked about a PBEM mod, those threads would be the place to discuss those issues, instead of having it in two locations. Furthermore there's been put a lot of (balancing) work (I know, towards the AI) in the AU mod too.

small map and 80% water.
3 settlers, 3 workers and no warriors has my vote.

	28-01-2005 17:35									#5
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2 settlers, two workers, two warriors. The Dominae starter pack.

No mods to the game or unit costs. We will be here forever.

And the % water depends on the map size. But I think 60% is the continent shape we are looking for. Probably a standard map with 6 civs, or maybe small using 60%. Dom will know best.

No to AP, btw.

	28-01-2005 17:41									#6
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I think NO to AP is a good choise.

Dont prefer much starting units, 2 of each is the maximum, i think.

Oh yes, and no adjustments to unit costs, if possible.

small 60 % ?

	28-01-2005 23:13									#7
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6 Settlers, 6 Warriors, 6 Workers, 6 Modern Armor, and Accelerated Production.

	29-01-2005 03:54									#8
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on a small map with 6 players/teams: not more than 3 settlers and 3 workers. 0-1 warrior.

expansionistic civs get 1-2 scouts (my preference: 1)


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	29-01-2005 05:04									#9
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3 Settlers, 3 Workers, 2 Warriors, definited NO to AP.

80% water, small map.

No changes to unit costs.

	29-01-2005 06:52									#10
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AP

bring it on

	29-01-2005 08:08									#11
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And the rest of the votes mr. paddy? Size of map and starter pack etc.?