29-01-2005 10:51									#121
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Oh spare me. He's well enough to run for re-election and to direct a war and plan a new one, etc., etc., etc. What's this crap about his "condition"? As if that has anything to do with his choice of attire.

Mindlessness. You display it perfectly.

The man has had four heart attacks I believe. And he didn't do much campaigning. He's behind the scenes. And he isn't exactly the one directing the war, but is part of it.

You need help, dude. Your beliefs are getting in the way of common logic.

	29-01-2005 10:56									#122
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Although... I do have to ask why he is in the office if he can't do the job. If Bush had a sudden heart attack, Cheney would be the one to step in, but he doesn't seem capable of doing the job.

Speaker of the House is 3. Who is 4? You might just need that person if 1 goes since 2 seems to be very fragile.

	29-01-2005 10:57									#123
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Please tell me it's SoState. Oh please?

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	29-01-2005 11:00									#124
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Although... I do have to ask why he is in the office if he can't do the job. If Bush had a sudden heart attack, Cheney would be the one to step in, but he doesn't seem capable of doing the job. Speaker of the House is 3. Who is 4? You might just need that person if 1 goes since 2 seems to be very fragile.

Bush's health is pretty stellar.

	29-01-2005 11:07									#125
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So is that of about 5000 other 50 year old Americans who are due to die of sudden massive coronaries this upcoming year.

Think happy thoughts.

	29-01-2005 11:22									#126
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither So is that of about 5000 other 50 year old Americans who are due to die of sudden massive coronaries this upcoming year. Think happy thoughts.

He has had health check-ups, and his health is pretty much in the top 1% for his age bracket.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/...storyId=1127626

This is from 2001, but I've heard he pretty much has kept this up.

	29-01-2005 11:24									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Mindlessness. You display it perfectly. The man has had four heart attacks I believe. And he didn't do much campaigning. He's behind the scenes. And he isn't exactly the one directing the war, but is part of it. You need help, dude. Your beliefs are getting in the way of common logic.

I'm sure you don't see the irony in your feeble insults, Fez. The real Fes was a master of it, but he couldn't see it either. He just WAS it. You too.

No one has yet offered any rationale for the connection betwwen Biggus Dickus dressing like Bob or Doug McKenzie, and protecting himself from a heart attack. As I've pointed out, there ARE warm clothes that would have been suitable. Did he really have to wear hiking boots? But hey, if you're not concerned about how he represents you, who am I to criticize? He's your vice president. I just wonder, what would you say if it had been Al Gore?

	29-01-2005 11:31									#128
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh I'm sure you don't see the irony in your feeble insults, Fez. The real Fes was a master of it, but he couldn't see it either. He just WAS it. You too.

Address me by my real name. Then I'll stop calling you names.

quote: No one has yet offered any rationale for the connection betwwen Biggus Dickus dressing like Bob or Doug McKenzie, and protecting himself from a heart attack. As I've pointed out, there ARE warm clothes that would have been suitable. Did he really have to wear hiking boots? But hey, if you're not concerned about how he represents you, who am I to criticize? He's your vice president. I just wonder, what would you say if it had been Al Gore?

You don't have justification for your statements. Cheney has a health history, and if he wants to be warm in a blistering cold he should be allowed. Sheesh what the hell is wrong with that?

You're a fraud.

	29-01-2005 15:03									#129
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Although... I do have to ask why he is in the office if he can't do the job. If Bush had a sudden heart attack, Cheney would be the one to step in, but he doesn't seem capable of doing the job. Speaker of the House is 3. Who is 4? You might just need that person if 1 goes since 2 seems to be very fragile.

Akk, finally someone makes this comment.
He just signed up for this 4 year gig, me thinks the job is a bit too bog do it at 50% max.

Cheney's clothing sense
Making an issue out of this

	29-01-2005 15:29									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Heart patients aren't supposed to be out in the bitter cold, if they can help it. Yep. That is another fact lost on the people making a big deal out of this.

I confess when I first saw him, I too thought;

'Good grief, wtf are you wearing? It's a solemn commemoration, not a fishing trip...'

And then I thought- 'he's there, he's had major heart surgery, he's American. He's absolved from issues relating to dress sense and good taste.' ( )


But seriously- so he looked different from the Eurocom leaders- big hairy deal. He wasn't wearing a clown suit or a swastika-endowed fancy dress uniform.

The dead don't care what he was wearing, and if the survivors and relatives of the survivors don't care either, then for once Lon Cheney is o.k. by me.


You who live safe
In your warm houses,
You who find, returning in the evening,
Hot food and friendly faces:
Consider if this is a man
Who works in the mud
Who does not know peace
Who fights for a scrap of bread
Who dies because of a yes or no.
Consider if this is a woman,
Without hair and without name
With no more strength to remember,
Her eyes empty and her womb cold
Like a frog in winter.
Meditate that this came about :
I commend these words to you.
Carve them in your hearts
At home, in the street,
Going to bed, rising;
Repeat them to your children,
Or may your house fall apart,
May illness impede you,
May your children turn their faces from you.

Primo Levi: If this is a man


Cheney at least showed up, in bitter, sub-zero temperatures to bear witness to mass murder and suffering- millions of people around the world in warm houses, with hot food, comfortable and safe, will not have given the day and the events it recalls a moment's thought.

	29-01-2005 15:53									#131
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Although... I do have to ask why he is in the office if he can't do the job. If Bush had a sudden heart attack, Cheney would be the one to step in, but he doesn't seem capable of doing the job. Speaker of the House is 3. Who is 4? You might just need that person if 1 goes since 2 seems to be very fragile.

nye raises an interesting point. Why has Bush elected Cheney as VP for yet another turn when he is well aware of his medical condition? Surely there must be other members os his administration who are just as qualified? Condoleeza for instance Edit: D´oh! nye already made that joke...

	29-01-2005 16:14									#132
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I suggest more posters waste their energy in this thread: http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...threadid=128665

	29-01-2005 17:50									#133
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Should you liberal commies be the ones AGAINST dress codes?

At leas your black trench coats in high school and pull over unwashed parkas at every event in college would lead to such a conclusion.

And you guys think your not prudes.

	29-01-2005 17:54									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Should you liberal commies be the ones AGAINST dress codes? At leas your black trench coats in high school and pull over unwashed parkas at every event in college would lead to such a conclusion. And you guys think your not prudes.

How many "liberal Commies" in this thread have criticized Cheney for his clothes, in comparison of those who have dismissed this criticism as irrelevant/stupid ?

	29-01-2005 18:07									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker One of Rush Limbaugh's lines about liberals is they believe in symbolism over substance.

That's not characteristic of the Left, but of stupid people. I'm not seeing any shortage of such thinking from the Right either.

	29-01-2005 18:12									#136
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I suppose NYE has had the only good good point in this thread this far - didn't they get a healthier VP when Cheney is as he is? I mean, I find it hard to believe his charisma was a major factor in Shrub's reelection ...

	29-01-2005 18:13									#137
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quote: symbolism over substance.

I think communist care about substance, but usually end up with symbolism.

	29-01-2005 18:37									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar I always wonder why the Netherlands gets to try people for war crimes. I'm sure they've never committed any what with the never winning wars and all, but still...

Tell that to the Indonesians...

	29-01-2005 18:42									#139
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maybe cheney lost his luggage

	29-01-2005 19:01									#140
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	29-01-2005 19:02									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo You don't have justification for your statements. Cheney has a health history, and if he wants to be warm in a blistering cold he should be allowed. Sheesh what the hell is wrong with that?

From the article...

quote: The Post's Givhan said Cheney might have been hoping to avoid the cold weather in Oswiecim, but noted he had worn a dark overcoat and no hat at all at another recent winter occasion -- his own swearing-in ceremony on Inauguration Day on Jan. 20 in snow-dusted Washington. "The vice president might have been warm in his parka, ski cap and hiking boots," Givhan said. "But they had the unfortunate effect of suggesting he was more concerned with his own comfort than the reason for braving the cold at all."

	29-01-2005 19:11									#142
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Maybe the inauguration made him realize not wearing warm clothes was a bad idea.

	29-01-2005 20:12									#143
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What, he never made the connection snow == cold?!

The more I look at this thread, the funnier the situation gets though.

	29-01-2005 20:15									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor How many "liberal Commies" in this thread have criticized Cheney for his clothes, ?

techumseh, monolith94, and Richelieu so far.

	29-01-2005 20:22									#145
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc techumseh, monolith94, and Richelieu so far.

I called his attire disrespectful and innapropriate. Paint me red.

[/foaming at the mouth]

	29-01-2005 20:23									#146
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Oh be quiet, you wannabe Frenchman!

	29-01-2005 20:28									#147
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Nah.

	29-01-2005 20:40									#148
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quote: Originally posted by alva What, he never made the connection snow == cold?!

Considering he's Republican, maybe not.

Or he just hadn't accepted before that he couldn't handle cold very well any longer.

Now, had his gives a **** been any considerably less broken than mine, I'm sure we could've got himself a black parka; I seem to recall Mr Cheney isn't exactly poor.

	29-01-2005 20:49									#149
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Huh?

You limousine liberals with your French barbers, fashion experts and male make-up just don't get the point of this visit, do you?

Cheney, an old man with severe health problems, travelled tens of thousands of miles just to show his compassion, offer his prayers to all holocaust victims, and you idiots start yelling at him because you didn't like his dress? Perhaps if you would've known any survivors of these death camps you'd actually understand what sacred, joint moment of silence among world leaders was all about.

Hint: It wasn't about fancy-ass suits or sharing your stylist tips, hippies.

	29-01-2005 20:52									#150
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What the hell is wrong with people. It doesn't matter what you say or do, the only important thing is whether you are wearing "appropriate attire"

This thread reminded me why I hate people