30-01-2005 02:05									#1
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Considering that Civ IV is going to come out eithet December of this year or July of next, isn't it about time that Apolyton had a front-page section dedicated to it so that screenshots, THE LIST, interviews and speculation could all be mentioned?

	30-01-2005 03:04									#2
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As MarkG told me some time ago, you should post these kind of things in the Staff Room so they can be ignored more easily

I was thinking about that myself, but the problem is that aside from The List (and possibly my 'Just the facts' thread), we don't have any Civ4 materials yet. Not much of a point in creating a section if you don't have anything to put in it...

Around the time when the first screenshots will be released (whenever that may be) is probably a good time to open a section (though it wouldn't hurt to start preparing for it in advance... but I don't need to tell Markos and Dan how to run their site )


BTW, July '06? WTF? Official date is end of this year. You can bet your arse they're not gonna miss the holiday season...

	30-01-2005 03:37									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus BTW, July '06? WTF? Official date is end of this year. You can bet your arse they're not gonna miss the holiday season...

He obviously means the RoW release. America and Canada will be before Christmas. Europe, Asia-Pacific etc.. will be February thru July releases.

	30-01-2005 07:01									#4
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Supreme Ruler looks very good and should be out around June. BattleGoats spend 4 years on this game .
Next would be Ctp2 the upcoming new patch. I know its not a new game but the work being done on the code should give the CtP fans the best Civ game till Civ4 comes out. But I could be wrong,the CtP2 modders are working on new features that might give Civ4 fans something to think about.

	30-01-2005 07:27									#5
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Either way Apolyton really needs to attack civ4, I heard from a lot of people CFC totally crushed 'Poly on civ3 coverage.

	30-01-2005 07:54									#6
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I'm looking forward to the release of The Courts of Candle'Bre .

Looks like Vel and team are getting closer and closer.


As far as CFC and CivIV...I'll take 'Poly's quality over their quantity any day.

	30-01-2005 08:27									#7
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Yes, Poly needs to be The Place for Civ4. We may not be the place that the younger gamers come to, unlike Civfan which abounds with kids, but we should be the place for mods and information.

Poly has always been the place where I can get a straight answer about Civ2. I think our technical expertise surpasses any other gaming site. We should make a point of that and offer some decent infrastructure to make well of that niche.

We may not be about flash and glamour, but by God we can be about getting the answers.

There are a bunch of ways we can cover the niche for modding Civ4. A compendium of modding knowledge could be a start.

I think that right now we should take the fact that Civ 4 will be moddable in Python and XML coding languages to heart. We should develop a "How To" in both languages so that we have a firm base for all Civ4 modders to fall back on.

Planning for the future is a smart thing to do. It's just wonderful to have a forum devoted to the game, but without support for the details of Civ4 we will not gain the edge and therefore the TRAFFIC over other civ sites.

We need to plan and we need to do it now.

	30-01-2005 15:26									#8
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I also think a concerted effort should be made to position 'Poly for Civ4. If the owners don't have much time I'm sure they could enlist volunteers.

	30-01-2005 19:47									#9
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Locutus, maybe I misunderstood- but in your 'what to expect in Civ IV thread' I thought there were some screenshots?

And it can't hurt to plan ahead a little.

As for the release date- considering that the intense marketing for games usually starts about 12-9 months before the release, I can probably honestly say that they are likely to miss their december release date... especially if, as you say, there aren't even any screenshots yet.

	30-01-2005 20:12									#10
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO As far as CFC and CivIV...I'll take 'Poly's quality over their quantity any day.

No kidding.

We have a lot of individuals participating in the CIV forum. The cIV list is getting quite long.

	30-01-2005 22:03									#11
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What I find nice about CFC, is their easily found documentation on strategy guides and the like. I'm convinced we have more things, and if we chose to showcase it off correctly, it would make better use of the articles.

	30-01-2005 22:20									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Locutus, maybe I misunderstood- but in your 'what to expect in Civ IV thread' I thought there were some screenshots?

There are a few screenshots, but they are from the magazine PC Gamer. That magazine owns the copyrights to those screens and has made it clear they don't want those images available online. Some (obscure) websites ignore that wish, PC Gamer probably doesn't even know about them; but major fansites such as Apolyton or CFC cannot use those screenshots. So effectively there are no screenshots available to us yet.

quote: As for the release date- considering that the intense marketing for games usually starts about 12-9 months before the release, I can probably honestly say that they are likely to miss their december release date... especially if, as you say, there aren't even any screenshots yet.

It's more like 6-9 months than 9-12. Also, they probably wouldn't want to miss the holiday season for the world, there's way too much money at stake for that. Plus, their development is behind schedule because their marketing is? Not exactly what I'd call foolproof reasoning... The late 2005 release date was only officially announced by the publisher just two days ago, it's pretty safe to assume that's still accurate now

As far as marketing goes, I think the magazine features of late December marked the start of the campaign, but the real fireworks can probably only be expected at E3 (and possibly in the period leading up to it; i.e. late March at the earliest). That would be in line with past behaviour.

	31-01-2005 01:26									#13
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the civ4 section will start being organized when i have a couple more features on the Apogee Essence (http://apogee.gr) product (like an english admin translation, better search-engine-friendly urls and a full user/permission system)

	31-01-2005 03:01									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG the civ4 section will start being organized when i have a couple more features on the Apogee Essence (http://apogee.gr) product (like an english admin translation, better search-engine-friendly urls and a full user/permission system)

Nice to know you are on the ball.

	01-02-2005 11:16									#15
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quote: I think that right now we should take the fact that Civ 4 will be moddable in Python and XML coding languages to heart. We should develop a "How To" in both languages so that we have a firm base for all Civ4 modders to fall back on.

Better hurry.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...83&page=1&pp=20

	01-02-2005 12:10									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner We have a lot of individuals participating in the CIV forum.

Which CIV forum?

	01-02-2005 13:44									#17
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quote: Originally posted by alva Better hurry.

No need to hurry.

Python: link to the official website
XML: nothing to it really, it's just the schema matters.

	01-02-2005 18:56									#18
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I'm sorry to say this, but I think that CFC will totally destroy Poly with regards to Civ4 coverage, especially in the mods section. We may have the expertise and some level of finesse, but they have the numbers - lots and lots of kids who learn anything new in a matter of seconds. We're just a bunch of jaded gamers who will all be posting how Civ4 is horrible and how we need Brian Reynolds to guide us to a better world.

	01-02-2005 20:43									#19
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It is mainly a demographic difference though. Also to mood is slightly different;

CFC: a convention where people come to, to talk about Civ and nothing else.

Poly: a bar/pub where the topic happens to be Civ or where where people happen to talk about Civ..

Something like that anyway.

	01-02-2005 21:12									#20
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I agree.

	01-02-2005 21:42									#21
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I also agree, there are many more alcoholics at Apolyton.

As for civ4 we will see, but cfc's future will depend more on civ4's success than Apolyton will.

	01-02-2005 23:41									#22
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quote: Originally posted by alva quote: I think that right now we should take the fact that Civ 4 will be moddable in Python and XML coding languages to heart. We should develop a "How To" in both languages so that we have a firm base for all Civ4 modders to fall back on. Better hurry. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...83&page=1&pp=20

Oh goddamn it.

	02-02-2005 00:21									#23
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Well we could always treat this like the missile gap and actually make up an all inclusive site.

	02-02-2005 01:22									#24
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quote: Originally posted by alva It is mainly a demographic difference though. Also to mood is slightly different; CFC: a convention where people come to, to talk about Civ and nothing else. Poly: a bar/pub where the topic happens to be Civ or where where people happen to talk about Civ.. Something like that anyway.

Then, many years ago, and completely by chance, I picked the *right* site to signup on.

	02-02-2005 03:33									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin He obviously means the RoW release. America and Canada will be before Christmas. Europe, Asia-Pacific etc.. will be February thru July releases.

My #1 wish: US version available here and right at the same time.

They should generally stop localizing computer games. I learnt a lot of english through playing and I am sure everybody will do so as well. Nowadays this can only be an advantage.

	02-02-2005 04:16									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Then, many years ago, and completely by chance, I picked the *right* site to signup on.

I looked at both. There was no contest.

	02-02-2005 04:40									#27
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So you post at CFC?

	02-02-2005 04:48									#28
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You think I have time?

	02-02-2005 05:15									#29
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Possibly?

	02-02-2005 07:27									#30
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Are you "DrSpike" over there? I registered "Shogun Gunner" there, but haven't posted or visited much. I just wanted there to be only one of me