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Panmunjon, hands up!
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strange that some people think the thin red line wasn't realistic. I found it haunting.
what is brought out really well is what it means to assault a position and officer's role of driving men over an objective regardless of cost when you really feel like the smartest thing to do would be to run away. I really got drawn in to the drama and fear and the ruthless primitive brutality of an infantry assault. The fact that soldiers were being shot down by gunners they couldn't even see before they even got close to the objective was very realistic and chilling.
It reminded of an earlier classic, 12 o'clock High, which I actually saw as an officer training film. Gregory Peck plays an officer whose job it is to keep daylight raids over Germany going in 1943 in spite of horrendous casualties in the newly arrived 8th airforce. You get to dread every mission. But Peck must keep the crews flying to almost certain death sooner or later. This is what war is really like, not mock heroics or spectacular pyrotechnics.
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molly bloom
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
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'Culloden' is an excellent 'war' film. It centres on the deciding battle of the Jacobite Uprising of 1745, when Bonnie Prince Charlie actually managed to get as far south as Derby and seriously put the wind up the Hanoverian establishment, but thanks to his own magnificent incompetence secured defeat, despite having one of the most gifted military commanders ever to come out of the British Isles.
What I find particularly good about the film is that it also looks at the social consequences of the defeat, the conflicting personalities and ideologies and the gruesome aftermath of the battle and the war.
The director arrives at a remarkably unsentimental depiction of a conflict which has long been subject to sugar coating in novels and painting and music.
http://www.iofilm.co.uk/fm/c/culloden_1964.shtml
I'd also recommend the French film, 'L' Armee des Ombres' or 'Army of Shadows' as its direct translation into English would have it, and Rossellini's 'Roma: Citta Aperta' about the Allied invasion of Italy, the fall of Mussolini's regime, and the creation of the Republic of Salo and the Nazi occupation of Italy.
'L'Armee des Ombres':
http://www.irishfilm.ie/cinema/f_season1.asp?SID=27
'Roma: Citta Aperta':
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...5664412-9896441
For a different view of WWII, a 'what if' look is provided in 'Went the Day Well ?' which imagines what might have happened had the Germans successfully managed to take over a British village. Again the view of British people is remarkably dissimilar to that provided by something like 'Mrs. Miniver'.
http://www.britmovie.co.uk/studios/...ography/29.html
And of course there those other films such as Pasolini's 'Salo' which deal with aspects of WWII as well, and also Alain Resnais's 'Nuit et Brouillard'.
'Nuit et Brouillard'/'Night and Fog' :
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...5664412-9896441
Pasolini's 'Salo'
http://www.bfi.org.uk/features/salo/
And a film which everyone should see, especially in the context of Iraq, Pontecorvo's 'The Battle of Algiers'.
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Cruddy
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Favourites - Cross of Iron, Full Metal Jacket, The Beast of War.
Least Favourite - Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence - I cried when I first saw it, on the replay I realised I must have been temporarily mentally unbalanced to have had that reaction. U571 (or whatever number) was a stinker too.
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Sir Og
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Lurking in Stara Zagora, Bulgaria
Jun 2001
time: 07:27
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Come and See/Go and See
One of the greatest war movies ever. It depicts the horror on the eastern front.
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Sir Og
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Lurking in Stara Zagora, Bulgaria
Jun 2001
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I don't have the time and my English is not good enough to describe "Come and see" but if you want a war movie this is the ultimate one.
No hollywood movie has ever been or will ever be even remotely close to this masterpiece.
Deffinately a must see however it might be difficult to rent it in the states or anywhere else for that mater. Probably can be found on the net.
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Verres
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Swimming with the mermaids...
Aug 2003
time: 05:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Sir Og
I don't have the time and my English is not good enough to describe "Come and see" |
"A crowning achievement of 1980's Soviet cinema, Elem Klimov's Come and See is perhaps the ultimate WWII film. This savage and lyrical fever dream of death, rage and terror experienced through young eyes is a virtual primer for the subsequent, similarly psychedelic intensity of Terrence Malick's "The thin Red Line" and Spielberg's "Saving Private Ryan," Klimov's elegant, harrowing union of unflinching ferocity and dreamlike clarity moved "Empire of the Sun" author J.G. Ballard to declare Come And See the greatest war film ever made. Time Out New York agreed, saying "Come And See's nimble balance of the sordid with the elegiac makes Peckinpah's 'Cross of Iron' seem like 'Newsies.'
When young Florya willingly joins a group of Partisans fighting the Nazis in Byelorussia, USSR, he little suspects that he is plunging through the looking glass. Separated from his comrades during a paratroop attack and struck deaf by German artillery, Florya - in the company of Glascha, a beguiling peasant girl - wanders a battle-scorched Russian purgatory of prehistoric forests and man-made slaughter. Florya's journey takes him and us through a gallery of exquisitely poetic imagery and brutal human atrocity. Unlike traditional war films, Come And See never stoops to convenient heroic catharsis or genre movie narrative symmetry. Images of a beautiful girl's impromptu dance in the rain and an SS unit's spontaneous, self-congratulatory applause at their own butchery haunt with equal power. More than any other war film, Come And See unites the powerful truths and inescapable dilemmas that lurk behind both the raptures of youth and the horrors of war."
Does sound worth a look 
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Sir Og
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Lurking in Stara Zagora, Bulgaria
Jun 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Verres
Does sound worth a look |
It's deffinately worth a look but there is nothing funny about it. In fact some of the scenes are extremely strong and might be too much for some people.
But thats just what war is.
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