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cousLee is offline cousLee
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Search function is down, sorry if this has been answered.

It is my understanding, that if you have a MGL, you can not get another MGL or SGL. And if you have a SGL you CAN get either a SGL or a MGL.

Assuming this is accurate, does anyone know if this was changed in Civ3 complete? I currently have a SGL and am in position to get another one. In trying to answer this, I did a number of reloads to no avail.

Thanks for you help.

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Ok, I was able to get a 2nd SGL. Was not able to get a third. Still wondering if anything changed with this version.

Always helpfull to know if you have to "burn" a leader in a given situation.

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If you have an MGL, you definately cannot get another MGL. You can use him to make an army or something and get another on the same turn, however.

Whether that applies also to SGL's, I do not know offhand. I've hardly ever been put in the position of getting A SGL let along MULTIPLE...

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My understanding is that if you have either type of leader, you can't get an MGL, but can get an SGL. I've had three SGL's saved up before, so I can attest to the possibility of having three at the same time.

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My understanding is that if you have either type of leader, you can't get an MGL, but can get an SGL. I've had three SGL's saved up before, so I can attest to the possibility of having three at the same time.


Now that is just greedy. Can't even remember my last SGL.

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I got 2 SGLs in my last game. My first SGL in ages and two in one game! Alas, I got them for Steel and Flight. Having already built TOE and Hoover, there was nothing for them to do at all until the UN came along.

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I hear there's a bug with 1.22 that results in any mod never getting SGLs.

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Now that is just greedy. Can't even remember my last SGL.

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Now that is just greedy. Can't even remember my last SGL.


I've been lucky enough to get an SGL early enough for the Pyramids in two of my last three or four games.

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I hear there's a bug with 1.22 that results in any mod never getting SGLs.



Could be, but I don't use a mod, except one AU game. It is mainly because at Sid you are only first to two techs, at least the way I play. Those are not a lock, but Writing and Philo are my only shots. I don't research after the GL at all. I used to try for an optional with a solo scientist, but I have so many aborted attempts, I stop doing it.

Since I am not scientific, it will probably be only a dream to get any SGL's. Often I am not the first to writing either, only Philo and that is not a given as I said.

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I hear there's a bug with 1.22 that results in any mod never getting SGLs.


I've gotten SGLs with the AU Mod.

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Got one in AU505 as well, using AU Mod.

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I hear there's a bug with 1.22 that results in any mod never getting SGLs.


Not any mod - any mod that unchecks the 'default game rules' (to change preserve seed, accelerated production, etc) box in the scenario properties.

If a mod does that, then players get no option to enable scientific leaders in the startup screen.

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It is my understanding, that if you have a MGL, you can not get another MGL or SGL. And if you have a SGL you CAN get either a SGL or a MGL.


I believe this is incorrect.

If you have a MGL you cannot get another MGL BUT you can get a SGL.

If you have a SGL you can get either a MGL or another SGL.

I've seen screenshots with three SGL's tucked away in a city. Incredible.

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My understanding is that if you have either type of leader, you can't get an MGL, but can get an SGL.

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Woohoo! If alexman agrees, I know I'm right.

Btw, Corruption Guru, I was wondering if you had tried my spreadsheet (in your C3C corruption thread) and if so, what you thought and what needs tweaked.

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It's on my list of things to do, but I warn you that I am Excel iliterate.

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I tried to make the input as easy as possible, but if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. After all, your research is the backbone of it and your thread inspired it.

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Thanks for the replies. I feel the need to clarify a couple of things tho. First, my current game is mainly just learning what the game will allow and some basic strategies. In a "normal" game I do not play the multiple reloader horsepucky. Second, is to those that have had 3 SGLs at once, are you playing C3 complete? Wondering if anything got tweaked in this latest civ-rape version. Appearance sake it would seem the current belief would be much harder to program. A though I had was the possibility that since there are 2 types of GL, a limit of 2 would be easiest. IE chance of 1st GL 10%, 2nd 5%, 3rd 0%.

Next chance I have to try for a second MGL I might test that theory (keeping in mind my version). Should not be long in my current game, as I am stuck with a single lux and Japan has 3, on the neighboring island, and they are furious with me. :evil grin:

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I believe this is incorrect.

If you have a MGL you cannot get another MGL BUT you can get a SGL.

If you have a SGL you can get either a MGL or another SGL.

I've seen screenshots with three SGL's tucked away in a city. Incredible.


Your first statement is correct, and doesn't contradict anything I said. Your second and third statements don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. As I said, you can get another SGL even if you have an MGL. The key is that before an MGL is spawned, the game checks to see if you have a leader of either variety. If you do, the MGL won't be spawned. Before an SGL is spawned, no such check is performed, meaning that you can get an SGL even if you have an MGL, or SGL, already.

A screenshot with three SGL's, which I could provide you from one of my own games, does nothing to support your second statement.

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Errm, Solomwi I was quoting cousLee in my post not yours.

He writes: " It is my understanding, that if you have a MGL, you can not get another MGL or SGL".

Well this statement he posted is wrong.

And regarding the 3 SGL's I meant it as a comment only, not to support any of my statements. I've only had one at any given time, that's why I made a surprised remark.

I don't mention you in my post AT ALL. I've read plenty of your posts in the last year to know you're a skilled player.

(I believe you meant that I repeated the content of your prior post)

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Nah, I just completely misread your post. My bad.

Skilled player, maybe, skilled poster definitely not always.

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Still, you were right that the following statement is not correct:
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If you have a SGL you can get either a MGL or another SGL.

As you said, you cannot get an MGL if you have an SGL already.

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My record is 2 SGL in the same turn

From Philosophy and the bonus tech

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As you said, you cannot get an MGL if you have an SGL already.


Oops, sorry about that. I thought you could.

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