01-02-2005 03:10									#31
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What deems me strange ist that you had your McCarthy era, where everyone suspected of being communist or sympathizing with them was being persecuted,
but obviously never had a time where Neonazis in America encountered the same oppression.

Correct me if I´m wrong, but it seems to me, that even the members of the KKK seem to have been handled with kids gloves in comparison to Communists.

	01-02-2005 03:38									#32
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I don't know about the Germans, but during WW2 the US hasn't been too nice to its Japanese population. I think it's just a matter of whom is the enemy of the US, and communists were the enemy at the time.

	01-02-2005 03:48									#33
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quote: Correct me if I´m wrong, but it seems to me, that even the members of the KKK seem to have been handled with kids gloves in comparison to Communists.

Yes, you are wrong. The government declared the KKK a 'terrorist organization' in 1871 and utterly destroyed it. Of course, then the Klan Act was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, but by that time the original Klan was a shadow of itself.

The Second Klan arose during the 1920s, but within 10 years started dwindling in popularity until it dissolved in 1944.

Any other re-births of the Klan were small and of little influence.

The Commies were treated badly, but I think the Klan of the 1870s may have been treated worse (and deserved it, btw).

	01-02-2005 04:02									#34
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Remember the Greensboro case? A group of klansmen were staging a demonstration in Greensboro, N.C. gunned down several blacks and got away with it. In fact if you look at the track record for punishing KKK murders it hasn't been very good.

	01-02-2005 04:21									#35
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At least there isn't a huge billboard with a Swastika... that sign is pretty harmless.

	01-02-2005 04:22									#36
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They should all be picking up trash alongside the road in their tasteful, matching orange coveralls.

	01-02-2005 04:23									#37
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I'm sorry, that is a lame idea on the part of the nazi's

I mean, if I am driving down that road and I see ppl picking up trash I would be pretty tempted to "bump" a couple of fers... and I ain't a jew!

	01-02-2005 06:14									#38
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quote: Remember the Greensboro case? A group of klansmen were staging a demonstration in Greensboro, N.C. gunned down several blacks and got away with it. In fact if you look at the track record for punishing KKK murders it hasn't been very good.

Enforcement on the KKK has been lax because it mostly does its work inside the deep South, where blacks weren't given so much sympathy for being victims as if they shot a white man.

	01-02-2005 06:16									#39
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I support nazis.

... adopting roads.

	01-02-2005 08:14									#40
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Hey in Germany today political parties are banned. And freedom of speech is restricted. The US of A is far more free then the banana republic of Germany. People have the right to their opinion, even though it may be totally despicable. As long as it doesn't cause violence, it is permitable. Whether or not these groups cause violence is another topic.

And nazis picking up garbage? Great. Does that mean they throw themselves in the dumpster too?

	01-02-2005 08:24									#41
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The state couldn't prevent a hate group from adopting a highway or other official charitable works even if it wanted to since the KKK sued decades ago and won the right. The solution is simple; just dump trash all over it and eventually the Nazis will get tired of picking it up and stop adopting the highway.

BTW I believe the American Nazi Party had its hey day in the 1930's and was tiny even then but it has continued to survive ever since. I'm not sure if it was outlawed in WW2 though.

	01-02-2005 08:41									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well of course the Nazis should be allowed to adopt roads. This isn't a repressive society like Germany .

	01-02-2005 08:52									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The state couldn't prevent a hate group from adopting a highway or other official charitable works even if it wanted to since the KKK sued decades ago and won the right. The solution is simple; just dump trash all over it and eventually the Nazis will get tired of picking it up and stop adopting the highway. BTW I believe the American Nazi Party had its hey day in the 1930's and was tiny even then but it has continued to survive ever since. I'm not sure if it was outlawed in WW2 though.

american nazi party was founded in 1959 by George Lincoln Rockwell.

	01-02-2005 09:20									#44
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I seem to recall seeing specials on a pre-war American Nazi party who's leadership actually went to Germany to meet with Adolf Hitler. I suppose the party was disbanded after the US joined the war.

	01-02-2005 12:23									#45
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This is a perfect target for "Reclaim the Streets", the ultra-leftist anarchist movement that arrange street parties wherever they like to start a riot.

	01-02-2005 15:38									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie This is a perfect target for "Reclaim the Streets", the ultra-leftist anarchist movement that arrange street parties wherever they like to start a riot.

We should also invite the AFA (an "anti-Fascist" organization whose idea of defending democracy is kicking the **** out of anyone who disagrees with them).

	01-02-2005 16:09									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Correct me if I´m wrong, but it seems to me, that even the members of the KKK seem to have been handled with kids gloves in comparison to Communists. Yes, you are wrong. The government declared the KKK a 'terrorist organization' in 1871 and utterly destroyed it. Of course, then the Klan Act was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, but by that time the original Klan was a shadow of itself. The Second Klan arose during the 1920s, but within 10 years started dwindling in popularity until it dissolved in 1944. Any other re-births of the Klan were small and of little influence. The Commies were treated badly, but I think the Klan of the 1870s may have been treated worse (and deserved it, btw).

I think we're going to have to ask for some chapter and verse links on that potted history, Imran.


I rather suspect the 'total destruction' was somewhat less than total, dependent upon where you were in the United States, and whether or not members of the state legislature, judiciary and local police forces were Klan members or supporters.

Here's to Paul Robeson Place and Anne Frank Avenue, anyway.

	02-02-2005 22:25									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie This is a perfect target for "Reclaim the Streets", the ultra-leftist anarchist movement that arrange street parties wherever they like to start a riot.

Hmm... RTS isn't a political movement. And they don't start riots.

They start parties which are then broken up by riot police.

	03-02-2005 00:34									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Hmm... RTS isn't a political movement. And they don't start riots. They start parties which are then broken up by riot police.

The evil capitalist police...

If RTS isn't political, how come they always write political symbols and slogans as spray graffiti at those parties? How come private and public property are always deliberately damaged at those parties? How come RTS always "just happens" to have a large pile of pavement stones ready before the police arrives?

	03-02-2005 00:46									#50
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those pictures look cool. I think I'm going to become a naked anarchist.

	03-02-2005 02:14									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Correct me if I´m wrong, but it seems to me, that even the members of the KKK seem to have been handled with kids gloves in comparison to Communists. Yes, you are wrong. The government declared the KKK a 'terrorist organization' in 1871 and utterly destroyed it. Of course, then the Klan Act was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, but by that time the original Klan was a shadow of itself.

That Klan movement, however, was more akin to a guerilla / terrorist army than today's klans. Those were guys who fought pitched battles with the Union army. There were a couple of years after the Civil War were it seemed to be breaking out again.

The repression of the modern klan should be compared to that of the communists, and in that respect, the Kland has been far better treated. However, organizations like the Order, had the full weight of the FBI come down on them (which is to be expected when you rob Wells Fargo and bomb an FBI office).