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Gangerolf is offline Gangerolf
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County: Barring group from litter program would violate rights


PORTLAND, Oregon (Reuters) -- The American Nazi Party has volunteered to pick up trash along a quiet stretch of rural road in Oregon state, causing an uproar after getting a sign placed there crediting its work.

The issue has flared up in the same week that world leaders and aging survivors gathered in the Polish town of Auschwitz to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the infamous Nazi death camp.

"American Nazi Party" is written on the sign, which is part of the "Adopt-A-Road" program that encourages local groups to clean up road litter in exchange for recognition on small signs.

The sign, on a quiet stretch of road near Salem, Oregon, also lists the initials "NSM," which stands for the National Socialists Movement, another white supremacist group.

Marion County officials say there is nothing they can do about the Nazi litter pickup because barring the group from the program would violate its First Amendment free speech rights.

"I myself have gotten at least 30 complaints," Dan Estes, the senior policy advisor to the Marion County Board of Commissioners said. "We knew there was going to be a great deal of public outcry."

A branch of the Klu Klux Klan has "adopted" a stretch of road in Missouri. After several legal battles, U.S. courts ruled that attempts to block the white supremacists from the litter program was a violation of its free speech rights.

Neither the American Nazi Party nor the National Socialists Movement immediately responded to attempts to reach them.

The Oregon county put up the two signs at a cost to taxpayers of about $500, Estes said. If the signs are destroyed, the sponsoring organization must pay for replacements.

Any group sponsoring a litter pickup must clean the roads twice a year. It must be a recognized organization, and is usually a Boy Scout troop or civic group.


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So what do you think, is it OK for Nazis to adopt roads?

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What the article doesn't mention about the Missouri case is that after they failed to ban the KKK from the program, the legislature simply renamed that stretch of road the Rosa Parks Highway. (I think it was Rosa Parks... might have been MLK.)

I think Oregon should follow suit.

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Well of course the Nazis should be allowed to adopt roads. This isn't a repressive society like Germany .

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So what do you think, is it OK for Nazis to adopt roads?

Why shouldn't they? And time spent picking up litter is time not spent spreading hateful propaganda.

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Well of course the Nazis should be allowed to adopt roads. This isn't a repressive society like Germany .


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Why should political parties be allowed to "adopt" roads at all? If the state needs their money, that's what taxation is for.

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I don't particularly like Nazi parties getting publicity, but there really isn't any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to adopt a road. Bust their asses for inciting racial hatred at one of their rallies, not over a stupid road sign.

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What the article doesn't mention about the Missouri case is that after they failed to ban the KKK from the program, the legislature simply renamed that stretch of road the Rosa Parks Highway. (I think it was Rosa Parks... might have been MLK.)

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Why shouldn't they? And time spent picking up litter is time not spent spreading hateful propaganda.


True

It's a free country so of course they can get credit for their litter-picking like anyone else.
But it pisses a lot of people off. Like this concerned neighbour

Attachment: nazi.jpg
This has been downloaded 173 time(s).

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American Nazi Party

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That printout is too small, doesn't he have some font settings?

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Just more proof that freedom of speech is a stupid idea.

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Why 'adobt' a road?

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They couldn't qualify for adopting a child on account of being nazis, so they settled for the next best thing.

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Just more proof that freedom of speech is a stupid idea.


You have no right to say that.

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There's no "Polish town Auschwitz". It's Oswiecim.

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Well, I didn't even know America had an official Nazi party.

As far as I'm concerned, best thing to do with a Nazi is tear both their arms off and implant them up their rectal passage.

Of course, some would do nasty things to them. I'd just render them armless.

EDIT: Should they be allowed to adopt a road... well, yes, but if I was in charge of it they'd be litterpicking with their teeth.

Last edited by Cruddy on 31-01-2005 at 19:51

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You have no right to say that.


Sure I do! I'm (probably) bigger than you! :P

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I'm older than you.

And probably smarter too, to cap it all.

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They are just asking for trouble though. Can you imagine how much litter neighbors are gonna throw on that road?

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I think Oregon should follow suit.


Simon Wiesenthal Boulevard it is.

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I was thinking the same thing Ozz.

I'm sure they'll be lots of human defications along that stretch of road.

This violates common sense, because of what will probably happen, but I don't see why they shouldn't be able to.

This is no difference then holding public meetings. Unless it's believed that there is danger from possible incitement, there is no legal reason why they should be refused.

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I'm sure they'll be lots of human defications along that stretch of road.
So what you're saying is that they'll piss off people more annoying than them?

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just cut down the sign...

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That just punishes the state, not the Nazis, since the state is the one that has to replace the sign.

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Well of course the Nazis should be allowed to adopt roads. This isn't a repressive society like Germany .


Weaklings!

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That just punishes the state, not the Nazis, since the state is the one that has to replace the sign.



Actually, they have to pay to replace the sign if it's damaged, acording to what I've read about it.


But given the controversy, the sign will probably be watched quite closely for the first few weaks, atleast...


EDIT: Yeah, it was in the original article:

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The Oregon county put up the two signs at a cost to taxpayers of about $500, Estes said. If the signs are destroyed, the sponsoring organization must pay for replacements.

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Simon Wiesenthal Boulevard it is.


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Well, I didn't even know America had an official Nazi party.


Lots of people don't. This is a good thing...it publicizes the fact that these morons are here (thus allowing more public pressure against them) AND demonstrates that free speech does not have to be politically correct.


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just cut down the sign...


I'm sure the sign will be stolen so many times that the highway service ppl will stop putting it up.

It's almost as funny as a "High St." sign.

 
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