03-02-2005 03:39									#1
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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=36944

With all the debate about global warming, it is surprising that record low temperatures are still common, apart from this article, Melbourne, Australia had its coldest February day on record, and our summers have been predicted to get hotter in Australia, not colder. Is global warming really happening?

	03-02-2005 03:41									#2
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global warming doesn't mean that the weather is going to get warmer

go rent The Day After Tomorrow

	03-02-2005 03:43									#3
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You're not seriously asking people to rent that movie to understand climate change, are you?

	03-02-2005 03:45									#4
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There will always be yearly fluctuations in temperature. Looking at a few locations doesn't mean anything. You have to get a statistical analysis of worldwide temperatures over a long period of time.

All of those analyses agree that the average global temperature is steadily increasing, albeit at a slow pace. Now the cause of this is debatable, but not the fact that it is happening.

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We have approx 150 years of mesurements of the envrionment and a planet which is billions of years old - why shouldn't known extreme limits not be moved ?

	03-02-2005 03:46									#6
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At least they'd get a better understanding of it

I'm sick of everyone going "it's getting colder, ergo no global warming"

I saw a PBS or Discovery documentry on it that was better, but I can't remember the name and I doubt you could get a copy of it.

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BlackCat -

Holy double negative.

What?

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov BlackCat - Holy double negative. What?

"what" back, what wasn't understandable ?

	03-02-2005 04:05									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You're not seriously asking people to rent that movie to understand climate change, are you?

exactly

and that movie is for lefties only anyways. I'm surprised Japher mentiones that movie as any authoirity.

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I get it, an I agree. But as Japher says, it has zip to do with more common average temps.

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Hey, I don't believe in global warming. Still, if you are going to argue it at least come at with a little understanding of how weather patterns, ocean currents, and the polar ice caps play in to the whole fabricated model... At least that movie does that, the whole birds falling out of the sky thing was funny too.

	03-02-2005 04:22									#12
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The first and second week of February is usually the hottest time of year here in Canberra with temperatures up to 40C (over 100F).

Today the temperature is 8C! That's 4 degrees colder than the coldest February day ever recorded

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I accept that the world has warmed a little in the last decade or two, I also accept that the world climate was far warmer during the viking expansion around 1100AD or thereabouts, and this extra warmth allowed them to colonize Iceland, Greenland and North America briefly until the weather cooled again.
Until much more data comes in, it is wrong to categorically state the present warming trend is due to CO2 levels, or that it is nothing more than a cyclical trend. As I am unaware of mass destruction caused by the much warmer cyclical climate of the viking expansion, it is also wrong to assume a warmer climate is automatically damaging to human civilization

	03-02-2005 04:31									#14
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Trev: shouldn't you be busy answering questions in other threads instead of starting new ? We wait eagerly on your responds.

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Oh please don't remind him, BC.

	03-02-2005 04:45									#16
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It is snowing a Thredbo - this happened last summer too.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Oh please don't remind him, BC.

Actually I was a little worried if someone had buried him in a mudslide in that hole he had dug for himself in another thread - there had passed more than 12 hours where he hadn't denied known facts

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It is snowing at Perisher Valley as well.

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quote: Originally posted by trev I accept that the world has warmed a little in the last decade or two, I also accept that the world climate was far warmer during the viking expansion around 1100AD or thereabouts, and this extra warmth allowed them to colonize Iceland, Greenland and North America briefly until the weather cooled again. Until much more data comes in, it is wrong to categorically state the present warming trend is due to CO2 levels, or that it is nothing more than a cyclical trend. As I am unaware of mass destruction caused by the much warmer cyclical climate of the viking expansion, it is also wrong to assume a warmer climate is automatically damaging to human civilization

you think it's a coincidence this warming trend started in the mid 19th century?

	03-02-2005 05:46									#20
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Yeah, ****ing cold over here. The hot water pipes froze or something and I had to boil water on the stove for a while...

	03-02-2005 10:10									#21
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I have been following the temperatures in Korea with some dread.

Here, the temperature staggered up to 15C, positively barmy for Korea I imagine.

It was the coldest February day since 1966.

	03-02-2005 10:12									#22
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We had -44C the other day. Even by Canadian standards that's painful.

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Normal daytime high for here around this time is like -15 it's like +6 right now.

	04-02-2005 02:04									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris We had -44C the other day. Even by Canadian standards that's painful.

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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris We had -44C the other day. Even by Canadian standards that's painful.

Where are you that you got -44?

Montreal's record is around -38

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As for me, it's +5C

Suckers.

I need to summer in Canada. It's too ****ing hot here in August.

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It's actually been very mild here this winter, one of the warmest on records, usually in the double figures (positive that is Canucks). It's been very nice

	04-02-2005 02:10									#28
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I like this temperature (single digits)

8-9 degrees with the sun shining is my favourite weather.

	04-02-2005 02:10									#29
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Reminds me of home in April

	04-02-2005 02:14									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You're not seriously asking people to rent that movie to understand climate change, are you?

It's like saying if you want to understand the SETI program go and watch Independence Day