03-02-2005 10:40									#91
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	03-02-2005 10:42									#92
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Osama bin who?

Deficit? What deficit?

	03-02-2005 10:44									#93
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Havn't you heard, he's hiding out in Syria???

AMERICA LET'S ROLL!!!!!!!!

	03-02-2005 10:55									#94
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So, by my count, he used freedom 22 times. This is not including free, or other variants, which just add to the total. Also, I couldn't be arsed to add up Democracy and Liberty, but they were used rather a lot as well.

To Bush's credit, he said some very good, and accurate things, about foreign policy. The following passage I found particularly accurate:
"In the long term, the peace we seek will only be achieved by eliminating the conditions that feed radicalism and ideologies of murder. If whole regions of the world remain in despair and grow in hatred, they will be the recruiting grounds for terror, and that terror will stalk America and other free nations for decades."
However, it's Bush. His idea of addressing this problem is invasion, and heavy handedness. However, the fact that he mentions this at all means that at least his speechwriter has some idea of the problems of the world (if not their solution). I find this heartening. Maybe there is some hope for the Bush administration yet.
But I'm probably just feeling optimistic due to the effects of the SotU drinking game. Who knows.

	03-02-2005 11:10									#95
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If we ignore much of the speech was BS, it was an impressive speech.

	03-02-2005 11:25									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker If we ignore much of the speech was BS, it was an impressive speech.

Yeah, like the BS about protecting the weak, the BS about not emposing upon other countries, the BS about how his tax breaks are helping the economy, the BS about Iraqis accepting the US, the BS about protecting death penalty defendants...

	03-02-2005 12:02									#97
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quote: Similar reaction at US embassy - some Americans choking back tears.

Surely you jest.

If not. Oh God... what a bunch of cretins. And the Americans think that the North Koreans are saps for propaganda... Someone nuke the US right now.

	03-02-2005 12:02									#98
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	03-02-2005 12:11									#99
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I'd hit it.

though I'm curious who those legs belong to. They could belong to some 65 year old senator.

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You're probably right.

	03-02-2005 13:22									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker If we ignore much of the speech was BS, it was an impressive speech.

I didn't see the whole speech. I only heard the beginning and sound bites on the news, but the delivery was particularly bad, even for Bush.

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Shrub was Shrub, Pelosi was Pelosi. Bleh. Reid wasn't that bad, he had a good line with the "birth tax." Got turned off by his protectionism though. Anyways, he's far better at speaking than Daschle. He's also turning to be quite an effective Minority Leader (again, in contrast to Daschle). He says that he has 42 Dems lined up against the Gonzales nomination, and all 44 Dems lined up against SS privatization. Seeing as how Jeffords will definitely vote with the Dems, and Snowe and Chaffee will probably defect on both issues, plus possibly some others (i.e. Specter on SS), a filibuster becomes very practical (and there may not be any need for a filibuster on SS privatization).

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I thought Bush performed a brilliant shifting of the goalposts over Iranian nuclear research.

"We're not going to let 'em have enriched uranium."

NOT "they can't have nukes". No, they can't even have peaceful nuclear reactors.

Funny thing is - it's less than a week since Meir Dagan (?) head of Mossad briefed the Israeli cabinet on the state of the Iranian enrichment program.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Kuwait and Saudi withdrew their ambassadors, or even broke off diplomatic relations completely.

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Bush is a moron, and so are the people who voted for him.

	03-02-2005 19:00									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Bush is a moron, and so are the people who voted for him.

Blah blah blah... enough with your trolling. We give Fez grief for his uncivil attitude, and the same applies to you.

Why don't you discuss the topic instead of just throwing insults around. Because if you continue, you will get the same treatment he does.

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quote: Why don't you discuss the topic instead of just throwing insults around. Because if you continue, you will get the same treatment he does.

I am discussing the topic and that's what I think. I don't see any need to mince words about the irrational, fascist, and homophobic policies that Bush endorses, and my opinion is clearly that of the majority of the world's inhabitants.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I am discussing the topic and that's what I think.

While you are welcome to your own opinions, that's not discussing the topic. So stick to the topic and keep your silly little insults to yourself, or you will find we have other ways to make you stop

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quote: While you are welcome to your own opinions, that's not discussing the topic. So stick to the topic and keep your silly little insults to yourself, or you will find we have other ways to make you stop

FASCIST!!!

	03-02-2005 20:20									#109
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Seriously though, I reckon I'm right that it was a pretty uninspiring speech. Almost no posts except my troll and your growlings for ages now.

	03-02-2005 20:24									#110
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From what I read (the BBall game was good), it was a typical boring and useless speech. The repubs are saying he was great, and the Dems are picking holes in it. What else is there really to say since there was really nothing new in the speech. Heck, the biggest discussion on news radio this morning was how annoying all the applause were

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Yeah, I turned it off. The applause was just too fake. Some variety (gasps, hoots, shouts of "you go girl!") would have made it more credible.

Still on the topic of sports I ed at today's slashdot poll

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	03-02-2005 20:42									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Ming From what I read (the BBall game was good), it was a typical boring and useless speech. The repubs are saying he was great, and the Dems are picking holes in it. What else is there really to say since there was really nothing new in the speech. Heck, the biggest discussion on news radio this morning was how annoying all the applause were

That pretty typical for every State of the Union Speech. A Democrat President will promise free healthcare to every man, woman, child and Martian and the Dems give him a million standing ovations. A Republican President will promise tax cuts and promise to kill every terrorist and Republicans give him a million standing ovations. It's called US politics! Don't you love it?

	03-02-2005 21:14									#113
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Excellent speech. Bush laid out a very strong and bold agenda. I do think Bush should not have mentionned those estimates about Social Security. It's impossible to know what the US economy will be like in 30 years from now so you can't give estimates about when SS will go bankrupt and treat them as fact. Bush did not need to give those guesses. We all know that SS is at risk of going bankrupt so Congress needs to reform it now so that all workers can depend on their benefits when they retire.

Social Security risks "going bankrupt" in 36 years if the economy grows at half the rate it has been growing for the last 50 years and minor changes like raising th retirement age again don;t happen. If you agree that the economy will grow much more slowly in the future, then you can say so. I guess Republican stewardship of the economy is that bad.

And the private accounts do nothing at all to lessen the financial issues, and mean that the government will have to borrow 2 trillion to meet is obligations of not cutting current benefits, though certainly cutting the benefits of everyone in the future, a cut that the private accounts will most likely not make up.

The Dems. booed for a good reason.

	03-02-2005 22:54									#114
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Social Security risks "going bankrupt" in 36 years if the economy grows at half the rate it has been growing for the last 50 years and minor changes like raising th retirement age again don;t happen.

Here's a question. How isn't that we can easily believe that we can borrow money now to pay for the transition costs of the privatization plan, but we can not, as a whole, believe that we can borrow money to fund SS in the future?

	03-02-2005 23:23									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Yeah, I turned it off. The applause was just too fake. Some variety (gasps, hoots, shouts of "you go girl!") would have made it more credible. Still on the topic of sports I ed at today's slashdot poll

you missed the gasps and boos when he talked about social security being bankrupt.

	04-02-2005 00:12									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Winston And I noticed Cheney's parka is back in the closet on his return from Europe. But I'm sure the regular crowd will be able to spot some other insignificant bit to bicker about.

You mean like he's speech?

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quote: Originally posted by Admiral "In the long term, the peace we seek will only be achieved by eliminating the conditions that feed radicalism and ideologies of murder. If whole regions of the world remain in despair and grow in hatred, they will be the recruiting grounds for terror, and that terror will stalk America and other free nations for decades." However, it's Bush. His idea of addressing this problem is invasion, and heavy handedness. However, the fact that he mentions this at all means that at least his speechwriter has some idea of the problems of the world (if not their solution). I find this heartening. Maybe there is some hope for the Bush administration yet. But I'm probably just feeling optimistic due to the effects of the SotU drinking game. Who knows.

While he was saying this, the only thing I think of was; "huh dude, that's what the world has trying to tell you for several years now and it don't involve any 'Shock & Awe'".

	04-02-2005 00:15									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident you know I've called people on the left trolls. But I feel this way about Bush supporters. You can't possibly believe Bush is doing a good job. He's an average president at best. Iraq was a mistake no matter which way you look at it.

Dis, I do not have cynicism concerning Bush as you apparently do. What we are doing in the ME now, promoting democracy, has the best chance of bringing peace to that region the world has ever known. Iraq is not a mistake. I, rather, was long overdue. Democrats sharply criticized Bush's father for not taking out Saddam in '91. They were right then and were right through the '90s when they continued to insist that Saddam had to go. (Most) Democrats only changed their tune recently for purely political reasons.

You have to recall that it was Republicans who were leary of getting involved in "nation building." Bush said as much during the 2000 campaign. Well, 9/11 changed Bush's mind, and Bush changed the minds of most Republicans. It is too bad that the Dems have also reversed positions.

	04-02-2005 00:16									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Iraq is a permanent disaster. He will never be able to reform SS, which is what he's betting the farm on. On what basis do you make that judgement.

Kid, see my response to Dis.

SS will be reformed and it will include private accounts. You guys on the left have always underestimated Bush.

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don't try to convince me, I'm an isolationist.