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AndiD
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SOO of Morgan Industries, ACDG3
May 2004
time: 06:27
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Greetings, Col. Googlie,
on behalf of the Corporation I would like to thank you for your open introduction of yourself and the current organization of the Federation, as well as your proposal of a 1st Planetary Peace Conference (1PPC).
Since Chief Diplomacy Officer Mead is currently coordinating all other diplomatic efforts of the Corporation through various channels as his daily duty, the Board of Directors has decided to appoint a special spokesperson - me - to express the opinion of the Corporation in matters dealing with the 1PPC. CDO Mead and all other Boardmembers will stay closely involved with this matter of course.
As we stated on some occasions before, the Corporation is definitely interested in peace on Planet and subsequently in taking part in the 1PCC, since "Peace is good for business" (Morganic Rules of Acquisition Rev II, No. 47). We would also accept the Data Angels as neutral party and hosts of the 1PPC.
It is a coincidence that we are currently formulating new long term strategic business plans on corporate level just right now. Given the current state of affairs, it should not be surprising that we did not include the Federation as potential business customer yet. But first prognoses show that it would be truly beneficial for both of us if we could be allowed access to the Spartan markets and vice versa again. Just to be able to validate our prognoses before the conference starts, what would be the most important gains from the Federation point of view?
As a sign of goodwill in the light of your proposal, what would the Federation think of ceasing attacks on Morgan units? In return, we would offer strict adherence to the Modo Doctrine in the future. Additionally, as you might have noticed we did not offensively return fire on any Spartan attack in the last years, not to worsen the - then-deteriorated - relations even more.
Regarding the Hive, I'm sure that Chairman Yang will soon find out that the Corporation is no less a tough nut than the Federation and we are more than prepared to face his "military machine". We congratulate the Federation to persuading the Chairman to the advantages of peace, as well as to the recent acquisition of the Citizen Defense Force.
On behalf of the Corporation
SOO AndiD
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Looking forward to feedback to my diplomacy. 
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paramir
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a nice solid diplomatic post
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arginine
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Doesn't the alpha centauri AI have the # 1 & 2 factions hate each other's guts? I am concerned where the DAs go.
It is worth noting that the Spartans launched their offensive the turn before we got fossil fuels, and they somehow had fossil fuels when we did, despite the fact no Yang or Uni didn't have them and Sparta's research sucks.
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paramir
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We can onlly hope
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PJayTycy
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from a post in the turn 2171 thread:
=> There is a problem with the Spartan Modo doctrine. Some of their "8-tile border around any of their cities" covers some of our territorial waters. We should point this out to them, and have them acknowledge these regions as exceptions.
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Mead
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PM'd to Googlie
quote:
Googlie
I've had difficulty getting into the embassy lately.
Although I haven't got into the embassy lately and haven't looked at the map lately either, I note that the unmodified Modo doctraine would extend into our territorial waters.
Is that your intention?
Please let me or AndId know through PM.
Mead
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Mead
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Response from Googlie
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RE: Modo and Geo
MeadL
In answer ...........
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I've had difficulty getting into the embassy lately.
Although I haven't got into the embassy lately and haven't looked at the map lately either, I note that the unmodified Modo doctraine would extend into our territorial waters.
Is that your intention?
Please let me or AndId know through PM.
I have put a proposal to the Junta that we scale back our doctrine to be 6 tiles from a land base. that would give us the protection we think we need as well as giving you clear egress from your ports
quote:
PS
Why is Geo so upset?
Ah - a long story.
When we got them to research Int Int for us, they agreed not to build the CDF and we agreed not to build the AV
A couple of turns ago we asked them what we could pay/trade to be absolved of that prohibition, and they said "Nothing - you can't have it. A deal is a deal"
We then said: "well, we doubt that you'll get it either - we'll just sell/trade Planetary Economics to Morgan and they'll instabuild it, so why are you being so stubborn?"
Realpolitik, we called it. Geo didn't like it, so picked up his marbles and left.
My response was: "Look, it's diplomacy in action. Give Morgan something of value so that they won't build it (like we did with Ethical Calculus - we got everyone's agreement not to build the CDF)
But I think a few of the old ACDG-2 Pirates are in the ACDG-3 Angels, and some are still smarting over the MCC steal by the Cycon, and can see a recurrence in this game by Sparta and the Ascetic Virtues.
(Althouhg IIRC geo was a member of that CyCon team himself.
Anyway, notwithstanding tassadar's agitating for another game top start, I still see this one as having just passed its infancy stage. You've got your "Fortress Morgan" look about you now, with a huge interceptor airforce, and solid defensive troops, and we are going to try and get our infrastructure up and running to give you a builders battle
It promises to be an interesting next 50 or so turns .....
Googlie
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Although I am doubtful of the future, if the Board so wishes, let's accept the deal.
Mead
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PJayTycy
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quote:
Originally posted by Mead
Response from Googlie
quote:
Originally posted by Googlie
I have put a proposal to the Junta that we scale back our doctrine to be 6 tiles from a land base. that would give us the protection we think we need as well as giving you clear egress from your ports |
Although I am doubtful of the future, if the Board so wishes, let's accept the deal.
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We might still be in trouble when/if they build a base closer to one of ours.
From the peace conference thread:
=> As to the definition of "coastal waters", we will respect any waters that fall within boundary markers as they appear on the universal map of Chiron - waters outside such markers we will treat as open waterways.
=> Note, however, that our MoDo Doctrine still stands. For the Federation, our prohibited area extends 8 land or maritime tiles from any Spartan or University base, unless prior agreement has been given by the Junta for a non-Spartan vessel or other unit to traverse.
They should just acknowledge that "coastal waters" over-rule the "Modo Doctrine". They probably think of it like this already, but it does no harm to state it explicitly.
If they agree, we might ultimately be able to circumvent their modo doctrine by putting sea bases in their "protected waters". Ofcourse, if they too notice this possibillity and ask about it, we didn't even think of it  .
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Mead
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I sent this to Googlie. I have not heard back yet.
quote:
Are you going to continue to build or capture towards us?
What happens then?
Can we have a division line where we divide the distance between our respective bases in half, with each half being the territorial waters of the side closest to it?
Mead
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Mead
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Googlie's Response
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RE: Re: Modo and Geo
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Are you going to continue to build or capture towards us?
What happens then?
I think it will play out that we'll see a vessel in our "no-go" zone when we open the turn, and will query its intent from the transgressor.
If we are satisfied as to its reason for being there, it'll be allowed to proceed unharmed (although some oficers are suggesting a "safety fee" much like the AI does in-game).
If we are not satisfied then I guess it will be captured or destroyed
(I'm not sure what the gang would do if a "target of opportunity" presented itself - say a transport with an AA in it)
As to the "build" question - we are assessing our chances of winning by Transcendence - although the odds greatly favour you, then the Angels. We'd need to invest heavily in the University (hence our "Protectorate contact"concerns) for us to have a chance
And we assume that at some point the hive will sneak-attack us - he has over 20 units within a couple of tiles of 2 of our bases, albeit in his own territory
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Can we have a division line where we divide the distance between our respective bases in half, with each half being the territorial waters of the side closest to it?
I'll put the suggestion to the Junta. Some have already asked what recompense Morgan might offer in exchange for dropping our exclusion zone from 8 to 6 tiles, to allow egress from your westcoast base(s), so I doubt if a 4-tile zone would fly. But you never know.
G.'
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paramir
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PMed googlie to let him i was the new diplomat.
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paramir
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quote:
To: The Corporation
From: The Federation
Since peace finally reigns again between the Corporation and the Federation, we were wondering whether you'd be interested in cementing our relationship by resuming technology trades. You've got the credits. We've got the techs. What better circumstances for tech trades could there be?
Specifically, we have Doctrine : Initiative, Adaptive Doctrine, Cyberethics and Intellectual Integrity for sale. Imminently we will be able to add Neural Grafting and Planetary Economics to that list.
Are you interested?
Colonel Googlie ......... on behalf of the Federation |
What do you guys think, I like th idea
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PJayTycy
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Doctrine initiative is the only tech we can't get from Angels/Gaia in 5 turns (if we leapfrog).
If the Angels don't want to co-operate in leapfrogging (I believe Gaia will want to co-operate), this might still be considered a second option.
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paramir
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neither of them has replied to my messages yet
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Mead
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I found the same thing and lost heart.
It is hard for them to cooperate with us.
We remain the #2 faction after Sparta.
They want to get deals from us to that will help them, but they don't want to help us.
The unavailabilty of cooperative victory really hurts our diplomacy efforts.
Mead
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paramir
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Should i consider making us look weak then? do you thnik it would help
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Mead
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quote:
Originally posted by paramir
Should i consider making us look weak then? do you thnik it would help |
I don't know.
I tried that a couple of months back. Didn't seem to work. they can still see our potential for domination. We still have the PEG, HGP, and a good base. We are not giving those up willingly.
Try it again, perhaps.
Perhaps try to stroke DA to feel that they are powerful.
Try to work with Gaians as fellow victims of Sparta.
Mead
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PJayTycy
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Maybe it can help if you give an exact proposition of what techs you want to leapfrog, so they see the benefits.
Especially getting MMI together with Gaia should be an obvious advantage for both factions.
Anyway, be sure to send some response to Sparta, so they don't have the same "they don't answer" feeling. Even if just say "we are discussing it internally" is better than nothing. Try to get some idea of what price they want for the techs...
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paramir
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quote:
Memorandum
To: The Corporation
From: The federation
Date: MY 2171
Subject: Proposed Bilateral amendment to the MoDo Doctrine between the Federation and the Corporation
The Junta would like the Officers of the Corporation to consider this proposal and respond ASAP
Agreement between Morgan Corporation and the Spartan Federation - MY 2171
WHEREAS:
* The Corporation agrees to pay to the Federation the sum of 250 energy credits in MY 2172
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* The Corporation undertakes not to trade Planetary Economics to any third party
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* The Corporation agrees not to build the Secret Project, the Cyborg Factory
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* The Corporation acknowledges the right of the Federation to be the sole means of the Corporation contacting the University, however such contact is initiated
then in recognition of these undertakings:
* The Federation agrees to a sea border between the Federation and the Corporation, and the University and the Corporation equidistant between the two respective continents in question
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* The Federation will transmit the technology of Planetary Economics to the Corporation in MY 2173
and
* The Federation undertakes not to build the Secret Project the Ascetic Virtues
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Alot better then I thought, I like it
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PJayTycy
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Isn't that a little outdated (we are in 2175, this doc talk about 2172)
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paramir
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that's the peoblem wiht offsite forums
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