09-02-2005 23:46									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Comparing a stupid law like this to a regime which tortured people

Guantanimo bay?

quote: murdered people in ghastly ways

CIA operations.

quote: mandated religious attendance, and had the official policy that people should do nothing other then serve the state and pray is an insult to the people who suffered under the Taliban regime.

It's not that far off, what with all the censorship in the media today as well.

Go figure that a Christian doesn't see the US as heading in a bad direction, just like many hardcore followers of Islam felt with the Taliban...

	10-02-2005 00:02									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker While I would disagree in all other freedom of expression cases, in this ONE CASE, I agree with the young legislator completely....exposed underwear makes me mad.

doesn't bother me at all. only men who have an secret attraction to other men they are ashamed of, are bothered by it.

	10-02-2005 00:05									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Bad move... now when you have to chase down those little punks to flog them they will be harder to catch!

That's what I've always thought!

I never understood why supposed "gangsters" would wear that crap. How can you be a fighter with crap like that on. They are all posers. Of course I would never tell that to their face.

	10-02-2005 00:10									#34
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If you can make it through bell-bottom pants and mu-mus, you can make it through low-riders.

	10-02-2005 00:14									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Ah, a left winger's dilemma. Dress codes so we are "equal" or freedom? That is the question...

Didn't know we had infiltrated the govt of Virginia.

	10-02-2005 00:15									#36
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Damn it! No one better take away the freedom of people to wear low riding pants in California! I'll fight to the death!

	10-02-2005 00:17									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Damn it! No one better take away the freedom of people to wear low riding pants in California! I'll fight to the death!

Why is that, pimpin'?

ACK!

	10-02-2005 00:45									#38
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Gee, another southern state trying to legislate morality. Who would have thought?

	10-02-2005 00:58									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I never understood why supposed "gangsters" would wear that crap. How can you be a fighter with crap like that on. They are all posers. Of course I would never tell that to their face.

My (possibly flawed) understanding of gang members wearing the baggy, low-riding pants is this: The style is (or was) called "jailin'," so named because, when you go to jail, the police take your belt and shoestrings so that you don't have anything to hang yourself with. I can't vouch for this, but it's what I've heard, so take this for what it's worth -- pure, unadulterated rumor.

	10-02-2005 01:13									#40
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Not only do they take your belt and shoe strings but they only give you one pair of pants for x amount of time. So, either you get them baggy or you risk having a ripped pants when Brutus makes you his new beitch.

	10-02-2005 03:51									#41
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Most of the prisoners I've seen have been dressed in sporty orange one-peice suits that zip up iin the front. They don't need belts.

I thought that loose fitting clothes made it easier to hide weapons.

	10-02-2005 06:27									#42
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Only people in jail have to wear the orange jumpsuits in Virginia. Once you're in prison you wear jeans, boots, and demin shirts.

	10-02-2005 06:35									#43
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People who wear their trousers too low shot be shot on sight (along with girls in strings that show above their jeans), but this law goes too far.

Yeah, and the voting age should be raised to twenty.

	10-02-2005 06:35									#44
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I just think its comfortable. I've always (within reason) sagged my pants a bit.

	10-02-2005 08:10									#45
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Asher if you think causing sleep deprivation towards people suspected of terrorism, conspiracy theories, and being threatened of a fine of paying $50 for showing your underwears puts us anywhere near the level of the Taliban, where you would be killed or tortured for not following some aspect of religious law, you are too far gone. But I think you are too smart for that, you are most likely trolling here.

	10-02-2005 08:13									#46
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It puts you closer, is all.

Certainly FAR closer than countries like Canada are.

And it's scary that you keep heading closer and closer.

	11-02-2005 07:32									#47
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ahem:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147057,00.html

quote: RICHMOND, Va. — Virginia lawmakers dropped their droopy-pants bill Thursday after the whole thing became just too embarrassing. The bill, which would have slapped a $50 fine on people who wear their pants so low that their underwear is visible in "a lewd or indecent manner," passed the state House on Tuesday but was killed by a Senate committee two days later in a unanimous vote. Republican Sen. Thomas K. Norment (search) said news reports implied that lawmakers were preoccupied with droopy pants. "I find that an indignation, which dampens my humor," Norment said. Republican Sen. Kenneth Stolle (search), the committee chairman, called the bill "a distraction." The committee hearing drew a standing-room-only crowd that included about 75 government students from Surry County High School. "If people in Florida can wear bikinis, a little underwear showing isn't going to hurt anybody," 17-year-old Elvyn Shaw said. The bill's sponsor, Democratic Delegate Algie T. Howell (search), declined to answer reporters' questions Thursday but issued a statement saying the bill "was in direct response to a number of my constituents who found this to be a very important issue." He has said the constituents included customers at his barber shop who were offended by exposed underwear.

BTW, Gatekeeper, not the party of the bill's sponsor.

Sigh, so much panic and righteous indigination over nothing.

	11-02-2005 07:36									#48
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More like caught with their pants down.

And without this "panic and righteous indignation", it would've passed...

	11-02-2005 07:37									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It puts you closer, is all. Certainly FAR closer than countries like Canada are. And it's scary that you keep heading closer and closer.

It's just the South. If they break off again we won't fight about it.

	11-02-2005 07:42									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Asher More like caught with their pants down. And without this "panic and righteous indignation", it would've passed...

Uh Huh.

So how many of the people on this thread contact the VA legislature about this issue?

Somehow I doubt those people read Apolyton Off Topic.

	11-02-2005 07:48									#51
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You'd be surpised.

	11-02-2005 09:16									#52
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Some of my people might have written letters.

Democracy baby.

	11-02-2005 09:24									#53
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Follow up posted at my blog: http://www.oneandfour.org/archives/...tep_forwar.html

	11-02-2005 09:36									#54
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I wrote a letter, but I doubt it made it to my state senator yet.

	11-02-2005 18:16									#55
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The papers today announcedthat the bill had been killed in the legislature. All this hooha over nothing.

	11-02-2005 18:17									#56
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The hooha probably got the bill killed...

	11-02-2005 18:37									#57
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Exactly. Hooha is a powerful tool of democracy.

	11-02-2005 18:50									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Uh Huh. So how many of the people on this thread contact the VA legislature about this issue? Somehow I doubt those people read Apolyton Off Topic.

You think the only hooha was made on Apolyton?

This was international news, man. It's horribly bad PR and for their image, and it probably upset a lot of their constituents.