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SUTTER, Calif. - The only grade school in this rural town is requiring students to wear radio frequency identification badges that can track their every move. Some parents are outraged, fearing it will rob their children of privacy.

The badges introduced at Brittan Elementary School on Jan. 18 rely on the same radio frequency and scanner technology that companies use to track livestock and product inventory.
While similar devices are being tested at several schools in Japan so parents can know when their children arrive and leave, Brittan appears to be the first U.S. school district to embrace such a monitoring system.

“If this school doesn’t stand up (and oppose the use of the technology), then other schools might adopt it,” Nicole Ozer, a representative of the American Civil Liberties Union, warned school board members at a meeting Tuesday night. “You might be a small community, but you are one of the first communities to use this technology.”

The system was imposed, without parental input, by the school as a way to simplify attendance-taking and potentially reduce vandalism and improve student safety. Principal Earnie Graham hopes to eventually add bar codes to the existing ID’s so that students can use them to pay for cafeteria meals and check out library books.
But some parents see a system that can monitor their children’s movements on campus as something straight out of Orwell.

“There is a way to make kids safer without making them feel like a piece of inventory,” said Michael Cantrall, one of several angry parents who complained. “Are we trying to bring them up with respect and trust, or tell them that you can’t trust anyone, you are always going to be monitored and someone is always going to be watching you?”

Cantrall said he told his children, in the 5th and 7th grades, not to wear the badges. He also filed a protest letter with the board and alerted the ACLU.

Graham, who also serves as the superintendent of the single-school district, told the parents that their children could be disciplined for boycotting the badges — and that he doesn’t understand what all their angst is about.

“Sometimes when you are on the cutting edge, you get caught,” Graham said, recounting the angry phone calls and notes he has received from parents.

Each student is required to wear identification cards around their necks with their picture, name and grade and a wireless transmitter that beams their ID number to a teacher’s handheld computer when the child passes under an antenna posted above a classroom door.
Graham also asked to have a chip reader installed in locker room bathrooms to reduce vandalism, although that reader is not functional yet. And while he has ordered everyone on campus to wear the badges, he said only the 7th- and 8th-grade classrooms are being monitored thus far.

In addition to the privacy concerns, parents are worried that the information from the badges could wind up in the wrong hands and endanger their children, and that radio frequency technology might carry health risks.

Graham dismisses each objection, arguing that the devices do not emit any cancer-causing radioactivity, and that for now, they merely confirm that each child is in his or her classroom, rather than track them around the school like a global-positioning device.
The 15-digit ID number that confirms attendance is encrypted, he said, and not linked to other personal information such as an address or telephone number.

What’s more, he says that it is within his power to set rules that promote a positive school environment: If he thinks ID badges will improve things, he says, then badges there will be. “You know what it comes down to? I believe junior high students want to be stylish. This is not stylish,” he said.

This latest adaptation of radio frequency ID technology was developed by InCom Corp., a local company co-founded by the parent of a former Brittan student, and some parents are suspicious about the financial relationship between the school and the company. InCom plans to promote the technology at a national convention of school administrators next month.

InCom has paid the school several thousand dollars for agreeing to the experiment, and has promised a royalty from each sale if the system takes off, said the company’s co-founder, Michael Dobson, who works as a technology specialist in the town’s high school. Brittan’s technology aide also works part-time for InCom.

Not everyone in this close-knit farming town northwest of Sacramento is against the system. Some said they welcomed the IDs as a security measure.

“This is not Mayberry. This is Sutter, California. Bad things can happen here,” said Tim Crabtree, an area parent.


Several things wrong with this story.

1. Principal implemented this system without any input or communication with the parents/community.
2. This technology is not fool-proof. It's a typical human (especially American) tendency to overly trust technology to solve problems.
3. Other technologies, such as a smart card, will provide a better technical solution without some of the negative "Big Brother" aspects.
4. Suspicion that the principal/school district has a some type of finanical relationship.
5. Ignorant quotes from the principal putting down the concerns of people that oppose this deployment. Also typical adult arrogance talking down to kids because, in his myopic view, the principal has concluded that they want to "be stylish" and that fuels the objection.

If I lived in that school district, my children would not participate in this system. If there was any problems with my kids lack of participation in this system, I would sue. It's that simple. This is wrong, very wrong.

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Then the parents should have an incentive to get out and vote in their school board elections.

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Yes, parents should already be active in these activities. This would certainly give some a reason to start getting involved.

There are a lot of political avenues to reverse this type of school policy.

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Several things wrong with this story.

1. Principal implemented this system without any input or communication with the parents/community.
2. This technology is not fool-proof. It's a typical human (especially American) tendency to overly trust technology to solve problems.
3. Other technologies, such as a smart card, will provide a better technical solution without some of the negative "Big Brother" aspects.
4. Suspicion that the principal/school district has a some type of finanical relationship.
5. Ignorant quotes from the principal putting down the concerns of people that oppose this deployment. Also typical adult arrogance talking down to kids because, in his myopic view, the principal has concluded that they want to "be stylish" and that fuels the objection.

If I lived in that school district, my children would not participate in this system. If there was any problems with my kids lack of participation in this system, I would sue. It's that simple. This is wrong, very wrong.

MSNBC Story


"you are charged with abuse of children, attempting to sell children, and misrepresenting the weight of livestock!"

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Also good work giving child predators an easy way to track their favorite target's movement.

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Yes, security of biometric and other identity related personal information is one of the biggest problems with any security system. I'm willing to bet their security protocols and procedures are less than optimal.

Even if this was a good idea, which I don't believe it is, why would I want my kids being on the cutting edge of technology. It is the well being we are talking about. Let someone else do the proof of concept and burn through the "lessons learned" phase.

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It's not as Orwellian as some have made out but it is more stupid.

It's an offshoot of the system used at a lot of tollbooths. There's a little stip that broadcasts a coded ID for a few feet. When it passes within a few feet of a special receiver -- beep -- they system knows you're there. With the students, the strip is implanted into a "badge" that students are supposed to wear. It's used for taking accurate attendence.

How long do you think it'll take students to figure out that, if they have one of the friends take their badge into class -- beep -- hey, they're counted as there, even when they aren't. (Let's sneak out and have a beer. )

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It's Sutter... that town is so asss backwards. There's reasons one should stay out of the hills.

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My God, The members of the schoolboard who voted for this deserve to be tarred and feathered.

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It's not as Orwellian as some have made out but it is more stupid.

It's an offshoot of the system used at a lot of tollbooths. There's a little stip that broadcasts a coded ID for a few feet. When it passes within a few feet of a special receiver -- beep -- they system knows you're there. With the students, the strip is implanted into a "badge" that students are supposed to wear. It's used for taking accurate attendence.


It is actually more orwellian that it is stupid, IMO.

It is REQUIRED with PENALTIES for non-comformity without any DIALOGUE or INPUT from affected parties and without proper OVERSIGHT.

Yes, we have those automated toll booths in Northern Virginia. There are still lanes for tossing coins if that's what you want to do. Additionally, you don't have to drive the toll roads if you don't want to.

I agree that its doubtful this system will be effective. It would be able to be defeated the way you describe because it lacks an IDENTITY VERIFICATION component. Stupd.stupid.stupid.

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“There is a way to make kids safer without making them feel like a piece of inventory,” said Michael Cantrall, one of several angry parents who complained.


Yeah, like tattooing numbers on to their arms.

Seriously, the parents complain that they want their kids to be safe but give no other solution. They just bash the one that is proposed.

Come on Mike! What do you have in mind!?

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