13-02-2005 10:04									#31
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quote: I myself think that hunting other animals whith guns is pathetic

Yes, it lacks all the bravery and heroism required to trap the elusive cabbage.

	13-02-2005 12:08									#32
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Asmodean, as was pointed out, your friend made the mistake of not making sure you knew his girlfriend was a vegetarian. So it's obviously not your fault. In the future, try to make some veggie stuff for her, that's just being a good host, which was also already pointed out

When I'm invited to someone for dinner, I make sure they know I'm a vegetarian. Sometimes it's too much trouble for them to prepare something special for me, or they just don't have a clue what to cook. In that case, I like to come earlier and help them out in the kitchen. It's good company and you can also have a beer or five while preparing the food

	13-02-2005 12:11									#33
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No!

:blows dust off thread title:

"Cooking Forty Vegeterains"

It's a trap! Run!

	13-02-2005 12:14									#34
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	13-02-2005 15:02									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid In that case, I like to come earlier and help them out in the kitchen. It's good company and you can also have a beer or five while preparing the food

Holy smokes...that was a good idea. For once in this thread, I actually like an idea 100%

Problem solved. Case closed.

Asmodean

	13-02-2005 18:23									#36
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quote: Originally posted by FredKarno Don't you see that you are just like socialists who decry other people who call themselves that. You say that other people who calle themselves vegetarians are not so. I say to you that you that you are false also. Do you own a motor car? Do you have a mobile phone? A telly, an electronic computer. How many things do you have? Do you think that all the material things that you own do not contribute to the destruction of other creatures on this planet? You think you are innocent by not eating meat?

Argue the person but don't start that anti-socialism crap with it that your state has so carefully seeded in you from inception.

	13-02-2005 19:30									#37
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quote: Originally posted by FredKarno Don't you see that you are just like socialists who decry other people who call themselves that. You say that other people who calle themselves vegetarians are not so. I say to you that you that you are false also.

First of all, Vegetarian meants not eating meat it doesn't neccisarily have anythign to do with killing, suffering, caring about animals, ect... There are lots of reasons to be vegetarian, but vegetarianism itself is simply not eating meat. I don't eat meat, so I am not vegetarian.

However I do happen to be vegetarian for your assumed reason.

quote: Do you own a motor car? Do you have a mobile phone? A telly, an electronic computer. How many things do you have?

No, no, no, yes, not a lot.

quote: Do you think that all the material things that you own do not contribute to the destruction of other creatures on this planet?

Not all do neccisarily, but generally speaking, yes. Which is why I also consider myself anti-consumerist/materialist.

quote: You think you are innocent by not eating meat?

No, just less guilty. No one's perfect, but some people are closer to being so than others.

You see, the thing about Vegetarians (and socialists ) is that strive to make the world to be a better place, even if an absolute utopia is unrealistic, they strive to get as close to it as possible. While other people, using the logic you are, will just enjoy the rape and forget about it afterwards so that it does not weigh on their conscience. "Everything sucks, so why care - why try to make it better? Enjoy it while you can - make a quick buck, jerk off, show you're better than everyone else, before you die."

There is more to the world than black and white. You can not sort everything into two categories - absolute perfection and and absolute inperfection, because there's an infinate amount of space between the two.

	13-02-2005 19:46									#38
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You have NO obligation to cook special food for someone who will not eat what you prepare, if we don't want to eat or can't eat what you make, that is !OUR! problem, not yours.

-Vesayen on behalf of kosher Jews everywhere.


That said.....

quote: Originally posted by Asmodean I happen to hate musles and calamari, and most other kinds of sea-food, except fish, but if I were at a party, and I was served sea-food, I would eat it, because that's what you do. Why is it, that vegetarians are different? I know people who cook vegetarian food, if they know that a guest is vegetarian, or at least cook something for that person only, but I just don't agree with that idea. You eat what is served. If you don't happen to like it, you eat only a little. But to deny eating something at a dinner-party, for what-ever reason...now that's just plain impolite.

Oh and that attitude is QUITE wrong heh. If you expected me to eat your food to make you happy, rather then being kosher... I think our relationship would end at that point. It is different for religious reasons then vegitarianism however.

	14-02-2005 00:35									#39
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quote: Originally posted by korn469 If I was stranded on an island with only a pallet full of tuna to keep me going, I'd probably eat meat, but I'm not sure.

What I don't understand is that I have some vegetarian friends that don't consider tuna to be meat.
What kind of vegetarianism is that ?

	14-02-2005 00:38									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen You have NO obligation to cook special food for someone who will not eat what you prepare, if we don't want to eat or can't eat what you make, that is !OUR! problem, not yours. -Vesayen on behalf of kosher Jews everywhere. That said..... Oh and that attitude is QUITE wrong heh. If you expected me to eat your food to make you happy, rather then being kosher... I think our relationship would end at that point. It is different for religious reasons then vegitarianism however.

some are vegeterrian for religious reasons...

JM

	14-02-2005 00:39									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Flandrien What I don't understand is that I have some vegetarian friends that don't consider tuna to be meat. What kind of vegetarianism is that ?

Maybe from the catholic church during lent not supposed to eat meat on fridays but fish is ok and now chicken is getting in there to.

	14-02-2005 03:42									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Yes, it lacks all the bravery and heroism required to trap the elusive cabbage.

Don't underestimate cabbges. No one has ever survived the bite of a cabbage.

	14-02-2005 11:02									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Flandrien What I don't understand is that I have some vegetarian friends that don't consider tuna to be meat. What kind of vegetarianism is that ?

Flandrien,

Are you asking me what type of Vegetarian I am, or what type of Vegetarians your friends are? As for me I don't eat meat, and I define meat as the flesh of any living animal (including mammals, reptiles, birds, fish, lobsters etc.) though I do eat milk and eggs (and products containing them). So I'm not a Vegan. As far as your friend goes, if they include fish in their diet but exclude red meat, poultry, and pork, I would call them a psuedo-vegetarian. I think that psuedo-vegetarians probably have the healthiest diet if they eat properly (excluding the risk from mercury, lead, and other substances that tend to build up in fish). I don't see how you could say that fish isn't a meat, but that's just meat. I'm not here to judge, if they're happy with the way they eat then that's cool with me.

	14-02-2005 11:24									#44
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My wife keeps vaguely kosher (don't ask) and plans, once her nursing and baby days are over, to become vegatarian (not vegan, she likes her ice cream, cheese, and hot cocoa ). However, and here is the important point, she has no problem with me having red meat, including an occasional lean piece of ham, and sharing them with my little girl.

If the vegatarian simply eats the sides, and realizes that their choice or food allergy is naturally going to limit what is available, I have no problem at all. However, the vegatarian who takes offense at my Chicken Pad Thai is not going to be invited again. I love the suggestion of inviting them over early, I enjoy cooking and the company. Plus is she decides to dress in shorts since cooking is hot work, nothing looks nicer than a shapely lady in shorts and an apron.

As an aside reference Kosher and religious dietary restrictions, those have often been imposed in an attempt by that cultural/religious group to limit social intercourse with other groups. As the posters in my thread several month ago reference what exactly does it mean to be Jewish, if you only eat Kosher you are not going to dinner parties anywhere outside the Jewish community. It's raises a barrier, not insurmountable but quite effective in reducing the chance of exogamous marraiges.

	14-02-2005 19:10									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean Tass and DRoseDARs: I know that you're right, and that that is of course the way that I'll be handling it, but still....I don't know....

Your friend should have informed you that Tina was a vegetarian. I'd expect anyone to tell me of their dietary requirements, if they were lactose intolerant, coeliac, vegan, only ate kosher or halal meat, et cetera.


It gives you the chance to shine in the kitchen, too, don't forget, and prove what a thoughtful and creative host and chef you are.