14-02-2005 06:25									#31
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Higgs: Bizrate is pretty good when it comes to comparing prices and services. The lowest price for a 1GB Ipod Shuffle was $144 with free shipping. http://www.bizrate.com/marketplace/...-251478729.html

	14-02-2005 06:27									#32
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My nerd coworker (for clarity, I should mention that all of my coworkers, with the exception of the secretary and the lieutenant, are nerds) is getting her Ipod Shuffle from Best Buy tomorrow. I'll ask her for her reasoning when I get to work tomorrow (note: I make no promises about actually posting her answer, since I haven't logged on to Poly from work in months and so my cookies are all expired, and I forget my password), but I'm assuming that she's done her research on the prices and found Best Buy's to have the best price/convenience ratio (or maybe it's a convenience/price ratio? whatever).

	14-02-2005 06:32									#33
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Perhaps it's because BestBuy might have it stock while I have to wait 2+ weeks from apple.com

	14-02-2005 06:37									#34
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That's a good bet. She's able to comfortably afford the extra $X for being able to get it tomorrow rather than in 2+ weeks, so she'll almost certainly go with the immediate option.

	14-02-2005 08:14									#35
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Mmmm, maybe Matth made a good decision after all. The 1 gig Shuffle is a lot cheaper (189$cdn) than the 1 gig Creative flash player (279$cdn).

	14-02-2005 08:26									#36
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quote: Mmmm, maybe Matth made a good decision after all. The 1 gig Shuffle is a lot cheaper (189$cdn) than the 1 gig Creative flash player (279$cdn).

You mean you didn't know? The Shuffle is cheaper than most of its competitors.

I've had mine for quite a while now (I'm pumping it full of my entire Who collection as I write this) and I got 10 bucks off for being a student. The sound quality is excellent, especially if you get better headphones (although the supplied buds are acceptable).

Having said that, you look like a total victim if you wear the lanyard (it is useful though).

	14-02-2005 08:28									#37
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It also has no screen.

	14-02-2005 08:31									#38
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quote: It also has no screen.

Which has bothered me zero times.

Screens on small capacity mp3 players are about as useful as screens on discmans - that is to say mostly useless.

	14-02-2005 08:44									#39
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quote: The sound quality is excellent, especially if you get better headphones (although the supplied buds are acceptable).

There's the rub. I spent 100$ on headphones and I'm not satisfied with the sound quality, especially not with the bass. I guess I would have to spend 300 to 400$ for decent headphones...

	14-02-2005 08:48									#40
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quote: There's the rub. I spent 100$ on headphones and I'm not satisfied with the sound quality, especially not with the bass. I guess I would have to spend 300 to 400$ for decent headphones...

Did you buy earbuds? Those are never ever going to be really good. Sennheiser make an excellent set of behind the neck headphones for about 40 dollars that sound pretty good.

	14-02-2005 08:55									#41
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No, Sony dj headphones. For better sound quality, the vendor suggested Sennheiser headphones, but it was about 250$.

	14-02-2005 09:15									#42
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That's kind of overkill for a portable player, but you must be pretty hardcore.

	14-02-2005 09:30									#43
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I didn't buy them for a portable player. I bought them 'cause I don't want to disturb the neighbours with the loud music. But since they don't sound all that good, I don't use them that much. So if I got a Shuffle, I would need pretty decent headphones. When it sounds like a tin can, it kills the music.

	14-02-2005 09:43									#44
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A 40 dollar pair of Sennheisers is decent for a portable player.

I agree about cans for your home hi fi, you really need to spend well into the hundreds to get good ones.

The earbuds that most portables come with just do not get good bass response. The in-ear models are even worse IMHO. I buy traditional headphones for my portables and they are usually OK. The real problem is that outside noise tends to destroy subtle music - one reason why I never listen to classical on my portables. Noise cancellation headphones are supposed to be good, but I don't have $300 to spend on them.

	14-02-2005 09:55									#45
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quote: Originally posted by MattH I asked for suggestions on where to buy a Shuffle, and if there were any good deals. Why do you try to twist everything Apple related into a flamewar? Asher hasn't even replied yet. You're back on my ignore list.

Over reaction?

	14-02-2005 10:15									#46
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I'm looking for a flash-based mp3 player too.

The big problem to me, for the Ipod Shuffle is the lack of FM radio. Sometimes I just get bored with whatever's on my mp3 player, and want to listen to an eclectic station, NPR, etc.

So, I'm looking at the Sandisk 1 GB ($140 US), and the Creative Muvo 1 GB ($190 US). Both have good quality FM radios, displays, etc., but the Muvo seems to be more reliable, and has a longer battery life. Has anyone tried either?

	15-02-2005 01:47									#47
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My favorite part of the MacWorld '05 keynote was how he talked about how bad the existing flash market was, and mentioned they all had "tortured user interfaces".

Apple's brilliant solution? Remove the screen and any kind of scrolling capability, now it's suddenly untortured because to scroll through songs, you just blindly click next/prev...

And somehow, his fanbase ate this up. All he has to tell is tell people something is better, and his followers will clap and cheer for him.

Every flash player I can think of in the past 3-4 years has had shuffle/random functionality, and Creative's players have all had it well before Apple finally added it to the iPod.

Another innovation from Apple -- if only everyone else knew that removing the screen improved ease of use.

http://www.nomadworld.com/products/muvo_Micron200/

	15-02-2005 01:50									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Noise cancellation headphones are supposed to be good, but I don't have $300 to spend on them.

Every audiophile knows that open headphones are better than closed...

	15-02-2005 03:04									#49
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Yes, the Creative model as more features, but the Shuffle is also 100$ cdn cheaper. So if the screen is not that big a deal for you, why not buy a Shuffle?

I'm not sure I would like the Shuffle though. First, finding a song could be a pain in the ass. Although Agathon seems to think it's not that bad. Second, there's no equalizer. Mind you, that's a reason not to buy the Shuffle and the Creative : I would be surprised if there was an equalizer on the Creative model.

	15-02-2005 03:07									#50
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The MuVos do come with an equalizer.

The 512MB MuVo N200 is $149 CDN at my local comp shop (www.canadacomputers.com). FM tuner, screen, equalizer, voice recording...

A 512MB iPod Shuffle is $129 CDN at Future Shop (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pr...d=&newdeptid=19).

	15-02-2005 03:26									#51
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512 MB is too small. If you compare the 1 GB models, however, the Shuffle is 190$ cdn (Future Shop) and the MuVo is 280$ cdn (Future Shop). Quite a difference.

	15-02-2005 03:35									#52
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It's only that much of a difference at a few select stores. I've found the 1 GB models for the MuVo TX FM 1GB model to be only about 20% more.

	15-02-2005 05:02									#53
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I gave the price for the MuVo N200. Are you sure there's a MuVo TX FM 1GB model in the first place? On the Creative website they say the TX FM comes with a maximum of 512 MB.

	15-02-2005 05:18									#54
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http://www.creative.com/products/pr...15&product=9771

Yes I am sure. Unlike some fans of Apple, I actually look at facts.

	15-02-2005 05:39									#55
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quote: Unlike some fans of Apple, I actually look at facts.

So I'm an Apple fan now? We didn't look at the same place. I looked here:

http://www.nomadworld.com/products/muvo_txfm/

	15-02-2005 05:49									#56
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo 512 MB is too small. If you compare the 1 GB models, however, the Shuffle is 190$ cdn (Future Shop) and the MuVo is 280$ cdn (Future Shop). Quite a difference.

Future Shop is ****.

The 1GB MuVo Micro N200 is $235 at CanadaComputers.com.

They don't have any Shuffles yet, because Apple hasn't sent them any. I doubt they'd be much different from FutureShop's price though, the iPod and iPod Minis they carry are about the same price as Future Shop.

Apple seems to have a very tight grip on grey market pricing, while Creative gives them lots of pricing freedom.

	15-02-2005 05:56									#57
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quote: The 1GB MuVo Micro N200 is $235 at CanadaComputers.com.

That's a lot better.

	15-02-2005 06:00									#58
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Thanks for the link btw. And for 60$ cdn more, you get a zen micro. Now that's tempting...

	15-02-2005 06:01									#59
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quote: Every audiophile knows that open headphones are better than closed...

And every true audiophile knows that the music you listen to is appalling rubbish.

Your call.

	15-02-2005 06:03									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon And every true audiophile knows that the music you listen to is appalling rubbish. Your call.

* Asher rocks out to the new Collective Soul CD.