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Sebed
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Voting progress:
Yang : 45
Aki : 30
Lal : 40
PTS completed by Gaia
[turn sent to Lord Icewind]
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Senethro
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Ok, what happened here? Apparently I just got disqualified as a candidate for whatever reason and Icewind wasn't able to vote for me, meaning we didn't all get to vote for the same candidates.
Does anyone have a problem with this or shall we just run with it?
Reading official "tournament" rules and guidelines, it is suggested the person who calls council or the first after an AI has called council should have announced all current votes and current allegiances and the winner calculated based on that.
I think that system was developed to avoid situations where the votes of other factions are artificially decreased by abuse of nerve gas or planetbusting.
Additionally, just as a point of pure interest, did the CPU controlling my faction offer you a bribe with my money Sebed? I didn't quite follow what your email said.
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Fosse
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U.S.A.
Mar 2002
time: 23:24
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I've PMed Darsnan.
I assume that Icewind intended to vote for you, couldnt', and e-mailed you the news that he couldn't? If so, this is definatly a problem and I'd like to know what we could do to make the game turn out the way it should have. Should we replay the election turns? I know that Sebed finished PTS during those turns, but that should have already happened in the year the vote was called, so nothing should be impacted (still, doesnt sound great).
I've never seen something like this before in a PBEM - and I've only seen a handul of threeway votes in signle player.
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Sebed
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quote:
Originally posted by Senethro
Additionally, just as a point of pure interest, did the CPU controlling my faction offer you a bribe with my money Sebed? I didn't quite follow what your email said. |
I must regretfully admit you were trying to bribe me by paying 75E...
I'm also waiting 3rd year for nothing just to sign a peace-treaty with you but now I have second-guess you are not interested to have peace with Gaia...
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Fosse
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U.S.A.
Mar 2002
time: 23:24
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But the vote results you posted would indicate that the game voted with your 16 - when council was called. That's how I've always understood it is supposed to work, anyhow.
if that's the case then it's reporting your 16 and counting something else...
Icewind, how many votes were shown for Sebed in the screen when you opened it?
I take it that the turn is being held until we have a solution?
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Darsnan
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New Syracuse, Beta Prime
Dec 2001
time: 00:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Senethro
Ok, what happened here? Apparently I just got disqualified as a candidate for whatever reason and Icewind wasn't able to vote for me, meaning we didn't all get to vote for the same candidates. |
I have seen this before. Apparently there is a loop in the hardcoding that continually checks for current population leaders, and updates the "elidgeable" candidates list thusly as the turn progresses. So therefore when elections were called there was a 2 way tie for the second eligeable candidate position, and the voting started with 3 candidates. However as the turn progressed to the other human players (and the hardcoding associated with vote counts and elidgeable candidates updated with each player opening the turn) why the population tie between the 2nd and 3rd candidates changed (for whatever reason - pop boom, war, CP production, PTS completion, nukes....) , and so then the game calculated there were only 2 "elidgeable" candidates for election and proceeded with the election accordingly.
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Originally posted by Senethro
Does anyone have a problem with this or shall we just run with it?
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After reading the thread I'm not completely clear as to whether it was a human player or AI that called the election. Regardless, it looks like this situation has caught you all off-guard. Therefore I'd say that if it is agreed amongst you, then you can replay the turn at the point elections were called and just not bother to call elections at this time (although if an AI called the original election, why they may just call it again). Or you can continue on with the game as is, and know that next time you see a 3 way election, the end result may be that not everyone gets to vote for all 3 candidates (and if I had to make a choice, I'd go with this option). FYI.
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Sebed
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yes, first we have to establish who called an ellection?
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Fosse
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U.S.A.
Mar 2002
time: 23:24
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I believe that Senthro called the election.
That doesn't really explain why Yang won though, if Aki had the highest number of votes after the pirates voted.
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Senethro
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Sebed: I think I clicked Accept then "offer all tech" to see if I had anything you didn't, then forgot to click accept again.
Its a funny old game.
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Senethro
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:/
I'm feeling hard done by here not getting Governor due to SP/PBEM game differences not getting, my first or second choice in the election and the election being won undemocratically (if icewind confirms what he said to be correct.)
Oh, Icewind, was the Council still counting my votes or had it changed peopel voting for me to "Abstain".
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Fosse
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U.S.A.
Mar 2002
time: 23:24
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I blame the United States Supreme Court.
If there is a way to "install" Senethro as Governor - which is what would have happened had all parties been able to cast their votes correctly - without changing anything else then I'd be in favor of that.
As far as I can tell though - unless there's something Darsnan can do - that would mean going back two turns, Sebed delaying PTS one turn (with Senethro not finishing it), the voting taking place, and then Sebed finishing it the turn he votes, so it gets built the turn after he votes.
Sebed still gets the project he rightfully - and rather impressivly - finished. Senethro gets elected according to the wishes of the majority of the votes. The biggest headache is that we replay the turns.
What does everyone think?
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Senethro
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Ever so slightly easier option: if Sebed's turn is before the Hive's perhaps he could vote for me instead? Its unavoidable that I won't be available to be a voting choice for Icewind but if my votes are still being counted then it should still let me win.
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Sebed
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quote:
Originally posted by Fosse
As far as I can tell though - unless there's something Darsnan can do - that would mean going back two turns, Sebed delaying PTS one turn (with Senethro not finishing it), the voting taking place, and then Sebed finishing it the turn he votes, so it gets built the turn after he votes.
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i cannot agree to go back 2 turns and play in different way our moves!
my quck completion of PTS was intended...
besides i was able to do it 2 turns before either...
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Sebed
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quote:
Originally posted by Senethro
Ever so slightly easier option: if Sebed's turn is before the Hive's perhaps he could vote for me instead? |
absolutelly not - i voted for my pact-brother and you cannot make me not to be loyal to him!
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Fosse
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U.S.A.
Mar 2002
time: 23:24
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Actually, Senethro's solution is far more elegant, and should work.
The way the election turned out was due to poor design of the Council system, and since we know exactly what caused it and have a work around that won't negativly hurt anyone I would be in favor of that. That solution doesn't have teh problem of mine of costing anybody a turn of production. I support it.
I trust Sebed and Icewind to play their turns the same way (except for the vote), letting us get the result that would have occured if we all voted a the same instant, as the design tries to replicate (since we all vote with election time votes, even if pop changes drastically).
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Fosse
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U.S.A.
Mar 2002
time: 23:24
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But Sebed, we're trying to make the game's mechanic reflect what should have happened. Based on our understanding of how things would have worked Senethro should have been elected.
A design flaw didn't let Icewind cast his vote the way he intended to, which is just the game not letting him be loyal. There is no repurcussion for you - the Hive won't get mad - and it lets things progress fairly.
We should wait to see what Lord_Icewind thinks, then PM Darsnan again if necessary.
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Senethro
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If it makes it easier for you Sebed, I also am pacted with the Hive. I'm sure the good Chairman wouldn't mind you voting for me.
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Sebed
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quote:
Originally posted by Fosse
But Sebed, we're trying to make the game's mechanic reflect what should have happened. Based on our understanding of how things would have worked Senethro should have been elected. |
don't you think i should have more votes?
don't you think i should be one of the candidates?
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A design flaw didn't let Icewind cast his vote the way he intended to, which is just the game not letting him be loyal. There is no repurcussion for you - the Hive won't get mad - and it lets things progress fairly.
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i don't think so...
the fact is Senethro lost election and i cannot agree for changing our moves just to let him win - no, no, no!
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We should wait to see what Lord_Icewind thinks, then PM Darsnan again if necessary. |
OK
but you all wanted to vote for Senethro, only I voted for current governor...
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Senethro
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Icewind: its unavoidable due to the game mechanics that you won't get to vote for me.
My solution is that Sebed votes for you...kind of. and you abstain.
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This election is already worse than what America 2001.
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Senethro
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Sebed: I had the votes required and all the commlinks at one instant in the game and I dont think I should be disqualified just because of a screwy game mechanic.
This is just a player solution similar to the way that you don't mind control/bribe an Angel players cities when he has +4 probe even though you can.
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Sebed
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yes...
it's all about game mechanics...
at the beginning of the council game counted 21 vots for me, but after my voting i had... 36 votes!!!
and this is the reason Yang won!!!
of course it's sad for you but it's also sad for me as i couldn't be elected - i think we are both hurt, but it's fair...
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