15-02-2005 13:04									#1
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147602,00.html

quote: An update now on one of the more bizarre stories to come out of the Iraq war. Remember that supposed kidnapping (search) of a U.S. soldier several weeks ago that actually turned out to be a doll? Well, we now have an apparent confirmation of the faked picture from the faker himself. The SITE Institute (search), which tracks terrorist Web sites, found a Jihadist Web site, in which a blogger named “al-Iraqi4” admits to making the whole thing up. The Internet posting included a picture showing the fake shot being set up and a note from the faker, which said: “I am a 20-year old Iraqi young man. I am unarmed, independent and do not belong to any party or group. I apologize to all the parties and everyone, for I meant nothing by that [no harm]. The picture was a scheme that I made up with a toy that I bought with $5. Today I am announcing that this news was made up, and that the picture was of a toy that I worked on with the help of some children.” Al-Jazeera (search), which ran the story of the kidnapping as though it were the real thing, has not yet shown or described how the story was faked.

I guess there hopes were too high over the soldier's kidnapping they couldn't bear to report the truth.

	15-02-2005 13:07									#2
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Aw crap, my "Gives a ****" is broken. Hey DD, have you found a good repairman for those yet?

	15-02-2005 13:07									#3
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now if Fox news would come out and admit to all it's fake news.

	15-02-2005 13:11									#4
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"Arrgh! Die American infidels!"



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"**** yeah!"

	15-02-2005 13:30									#5
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Hey, right wingers still haven't admitted the reasons for going to war were fake.

Which is worse?

	15-02-2005 18:24									#6
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Snore... Let's ignore one of the bigger blunders in reporting, and respond that right wingers are bad...

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

Al Jazeera should just suck it up and admit their error.

	15-02-2005 18:28									#7
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quote: Al Jazeera should just suck it up and admit their error.

Why? When even CNN won't admit errors (they have people resign so they can avoid doing that), then why should Al Jazeera? AJ is just doing their best to be a real news outlet...

	15-02-2005 18:37									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten AJ is just doing their best to be a real news outlet...

And that's why they should suck it up and admit their error. Everybody makes mistakes... but we are talking credibility here. It's better to admit the mistake then let it stay out there that you fell for the story, and didn't follow up on the real story.

	15-02-2005 18:41									#9
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Why should they be held to a higher standard than CBS News, Ming?

	15-02-2005 18:45									#10
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Good one Stefu

	15-02-2005 18:46									#11
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Just because CBS is bad doesn't mean it's ok for other stations to be.

Al jazeera is an interesting station, compared to most Arab stations it's shockingly accurate, sadly that's not saying much most Arab station are state run and heavily censored.

	15-02-2005 18:48									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Snore... Let's ignore one of the bigger blunders in reporting, and respond that right wingers are bad...

Did anybody really get worked up about this? It took all of about 3 hours to be debunked and sure as hell gave me a laugh when I saw the picture that had been passed off as the real thing.

	15-02-2005 18:52									#13
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Why should they be held to a higher standard than CBS News, Ming?

Hmmmm.... many people here were demanding that CBS admit it's blunder... and eventually, CBS did admit their mistake (while they were being dragged kicking and screaming)

So all I'm asking is that they be held to the same standard I would expect from any news source that wants to consider itself credible. Just because some other news sources don't admit their mistakes, doesn't make it right.

	15-02-2005 18:55									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ming and eventually, CBS did admit their mistake

IIRC, they've NEVER admitted the memos were forged, merely that they did slipshod investigative work and rushed the story, but there was no underlying bias mind you.

	15-02-2005 19:05									#15
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Did anybody really get worked up about this? It took all of about 3 hours to be debunked and sure as hell gave me a laugh when I saw the picture that had been passed off as the real thing.

I laughed my ass off as well... My comment was aimed at the typical "ignore the issue/change the topic and troll the right wingers" response.

Al Jazeera got suckered... they should admit it and move on.

	15-02-2005 19:08									#16
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Everytime a thread comes out about
"So and So did something bad"
the immediate defense is
"Well, their opposition did something worse or at least equally as bad"

THIS IS NOT A VALID DEFENSE
Bad is Bad. The wrongs of others in no way defends performing a wrong yourself. Using that argument just makes you look like a petulant child.
JUST GROW UP

	15-02-2005 19:09									#17
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I think we should give Al Jazeera a little break since they are new to this freedom of the press stuff.

	15-02-2005 19:16									#18
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I think they would gain more by making a big deal about it than just ignoring it. They could have some real fun with it (granted at their own expense)

This would go a long way into showing just how credibile that they are... willing to admit mistakes, and give proof that they want to cover the news fairly.

By not admitting it, they just look even more stupid... Just like CBS did while they were stone walling...

	16-02-2005 00:26									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Al Jazeera should just suck it up and admit their error.

	16-02-2005 00:40									#20
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who cares, they aren't a legitimate news organization anyways. I don't hold them to the same standards as CNN.

	16-02-2005 00:42									#21
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quote: who cares, they aren't a legitimate news organization anyways. I don't hold them to the same standards as CNN.

Pretty low standards that.

	16-02-2005 00:50									#22
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I have to admit that Al Jazerra seems to be the worst when it comes to checking sources.

I remember one of their articles about depleted uranium, and next to it was a caption that had a C-130 gunship and it read something like, "the Americans have been DROPPING depleted uranium on Iraq for some time now."

It's crap like that that pisses me off about Al Jazerra.

That's not only incorrect, that's knowingly misleading.

It's taunting in the spirit of the Jerry Springer show.

	16-02-2005 03:09									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I think they would gain more by making a big deal about it than just ignoring it. They could have some real fun with it (granted at their own expense) This would go a long way into showing just how credibile that they are... willing to admit mistakes, and give proof that they want to cover the news fairly. By not admitting it, they just look even more stupid... Just like CBS did while they were stone walling...

It looked to me that they were using Rather as a scapegoat to get people to ignore the real problem, that networks have become so obsessed with being the first to report something that they throw caution to the wind.

	16-02-2005 03:14									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Odin It looked to me that they were using Rather as a scapegoat to get people to ignore the real problem, that networks have become so obsessed with being the first to report something that they throw caution to the wind.

This is not a new problem

	16-02-2005 03:15									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Ming This is not a new problem

so true.

	16-02-2005 03:19									#26
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Everytime a thread comes out about "So and So did something bad" the immediate defense is "Well, their opposition did something worse or at least equally as bad" THIS IS NOT A VALID DEFENSE Bad is Bad. The wrongs of others in no way defends performing a wrong yourself. Using that argument just makes you look like a petulant child. JUST GROW UP

Well, I've seen you make worse arguments.

	16-02-2005 04:56									#27
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quote: Everytime a thread comes out about "So and So did something bad" the immediate defense is "Well, their opposition did something worse or at least equally as bad"

I think you're confusing sarcasm with an actual defense of this behavior. Al Jazeera, CNN and CBS can all go to hell...

	16-02-2005 05:45									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I think you're confusing sarcasm with an actual defense of this behavior. Al Jazeera, CNN and CBS can all go to hell...

Their quality standards already have.

	16-02-2005 05:47									#29
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Indeed.

	16-02-2005 09:05									#30
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Well, I've seen you make worse arguments.

If the irony was intentional, I have newfound respect for you.