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Some of you may have heard me mention the private space program being put together in Las Vegas by Robert Bigelow (Budget Suites of America). There is a cover story in Popular Science that is light on details and long on personal story (i.e., pretty useless from a space enthusiast's perspective). But it has some great pics!

Here's a mock-up of a Nautilus space station module.


http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviati...1027551,00.html

And the inside of the mock-up.


Here's an artist's drawing of the potential use of the inside space.


Here's a rendering of a single-Nautilus space station.


And a rendering of a cruiser capable of moon fly-bys.


The concept for inflatable space station modules started with NASA's Transhab program that was canceled 5 or so years ago. Bigelow licensed NASA's technology and is running with the ball. He has a small staff that have put some flyable spacecraft together.

As I have stated in the past, the chances of Bigelow putting a series of stations into orbit is quite high. He already has ordered as many as 7 rocket flights (1 American; 6 Russian) for the test program.

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The guy's 60 years old!

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what the hell? I live here and never heard of that.

Budget Suites? those are pretty dumpy. Mostly weekly monthly rentals for the poor.

I doubt he's putting these modules together here (we just don't have the room).

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"Nautilus Corporate Yacht"

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I doubt he's putting these modules together here (we just don't have the room).


They're made of collapsable fabric.

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Budget Suites? those are pretty dumpy. Mostly weekly monthly rentals for the poor.


That was my impression as well, although more "functional" rather than "dumpy." By no means luxurious.

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I doubt he's putting these modules together here (we just don't have the room).


It doesn't take too much room to build the number of modules that he is building (only a handful at this time), but Bigelow has plenty of room to expand. He's got 30 acres in North Las Vegas -- at Cheyenne & Clayton, off of I-15 near the North Las Vegas airport. Only about 60 people work there.

He also opened an office in Houston, presumably to take advantage of some of the space workforce available there.

Last evening, Slashdot posted an article on this...

http://science.slashdot.org/article...tid=160&tid=126

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very interesting - cheers for link it was a good read

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“Where’s the inspiration in America?” Bigelow asks. “If you asked 50 people or 500 people, ‘What is America’s inspiration today?’ what would they say? To win the war in Iraq? That doesn’t create a dream in some kid’s mind. An inspiration has to be something you carry with you 24/7.”


He's got that about right i'd say. Its a shame more countries/companies dont put the effort into Space exploration imho.

One question comes up with things like this, where a private individual goes and puts their own money in to get a project going.

What can they claim is theirs? I know in this case he's looking at an orbital hotel, but for others that might want to try mineral extraction etc, how can they ensure they get the goods and not the governments for example?

Is there space in space for corporate expansion or will national issues always get in the way(and proveing who's national interests they are is another bag of worms?), thus stopping the potential investment by private companies and individuals?

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Are the Russians involved in this? Seriously, on those last two pics it looks as if there are Soyuz (sp?) ships docked on the station....

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It didnt say in the article, but i guess there could be some russian buisness involvement? Maybe he just plans to buy a couple of cheap craft from the russians(he is very good at managing bugets apparently)?

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Yeah, could be, unless they can't use a space shuttle (which I doubt the NASA would provide) they must look for alternative ways to bring people up there......

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Are the Russians involved in this? Seriously, on those last two pics it looks as if there are Soyuz (sp?) ships docked on the station...


As far as I know, the Russians are involved only in launching up to 6 prototypes within the next 5 years. Maybe he has a couple of Russian emigres on the payroll. But I don't think he would be averse to buying rides on Soyuz, if the price is right and the Russians try to minimize his hassle. Businesses try to diversify their suppliers while governments tend to minimize their suppliers. SpaceX of California is also aiming to have a manned rocket launch program by the time Bigelow goes live on the Nautilus station. Bigelow is encouraging them as well.

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What can they claim is theirs? I know in this case he's looking at an orbital hotel, but for others that might want to try mineral extraction etc, how can they ensure they get the goods and not the governments for example?

Is there space in space for corporate expansion or will national issues always get in the way(and proveing who's national interests they are is another bag of worms?), thus stopping the potential investment by private companies and individuals?


We don't know. The US government regulates these spacecraft (indeed, home governments are obligated under international treaty to regulate these spacecraft). Further, technology trade issues are sometimes brought up when exporting these spacecraft for launch. You might be precluded from doing so, in some circumstances and depending on the type of spacecraft.

But currently, the US government focuses on rocket launch more than orbital hotels or solar sails. Presumably, they are more worried with regulating rockets that could be refitted with warheads than with inflatable stations that are not seen as potential military articles. I don't think the US government would give you too much hassle with regard to your mining operations, so long as you have some place to put your trash and have reasonable safeguards for the uninvolved public. If you mine it, you own it. First come, first serve. Bigelow already has authorization to launch his stations from the US Government on either American or Russian rockets.

Because of the first come, first serve nature of space law, it might be tricky to trade in space among companies of different nationalities. You might have a hodgepodge of companies from different countries operating on the moon right next to each other, and they would want to trade with one another. There isn't any customs service on the moon yet.

I should note that communications satellites are a special class of spacecraft and are more heavily regulated.

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Only because those spacecraft are the only ones that actually make money. As soon as another type starts to make serious money, the regulators and taxers will come out of the woodwork.

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I don't doubt it. And currently, you're precluded from setting up shop in Bermuda and creating a more friendly space regulating authority.

On the other hand, the internet has been relatively successful in keeping the tax man and regulators away.

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What stops space debris from tearing these open?

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Several layers of strong fabric -- 1.5 feet thick. This setup is several times stronger than the 3 inch aluminum hulls on the International Space Station.

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I'll digress slightly for a momment. I've been playing an old time favourite computer game of mine recently: Elite(or FFE in the latest version).
Its just that this discussion puts me in mind of it, as you have mankind spreading through space and we have divided up into various political factions plus a neutral 'corporate' faction.

I'm guessing that whenever it gets cheap enough that many companies want to invest in space exploration, then current governments will find it increasingly hard to keep a lid on it all?

If at this future point we are still living on the same kind of finacial model we do now, then we should expect corporations to lead the way in space?

Microsoft world? Planet EA? etc

maybe no bad thing really.

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Currently, governments have tight control over all launch resources. This will have to change for governments to lose control over space.

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Interesting. I need to admit that I'm wrong about the US government regulating all on-orbit commercial manned activity. In short, the US government (the FAA) only regulates the launch and landing of spacecraft. The US government hasn't gotten its paws on on-orbit commercial manned activities yet.

Now, this isn't to say that if the private guys did something the government didn't like, they wouldn't just yank the launch and landing approval.

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