22-02-2005 11:01									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski I should have mentioned The skills challenge was what i was talking about but he also had almost a perfect year last year. manning is good cant say much bout vick.

Skills challenge doesn't matter. Cunningham won one once. Manning was great. Vick showed what happens when you give him some protection. He was the only NFC QB to do anything worth a damn in that game.

	22-02-2005 11:07									#32
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yeah Dan Marino won the skills challenge, and he went on to win many superbowls.

	22-02-2005 11:09									#33
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Your right the skills challenge doesnt mean s*** brees did good there, during this last season he showed he has the skills. Vick has always struck me as a whiner Manning has proved that he knows the game and has the heart. Troy aikman had heart at one time but lost it. Brees would do great with dallas hes kinda of a guy that can say f*** you to the coachs face and and show his stuff. Im still dreaming i know

	22-02-2005 11:17									#34
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Vick a whiner?! See, Tuberski, this is what I'm talking about! The media has created this view of Vick. What has he EVER whined about? I'd say that Vick is the least whining person I've seen in professional sports. He never complains about the refs, his fellow players, nothing.

	22-02-2005 11:20									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Vick a whiner?! See, Tuberski, this is what I'm talking about! The media has created this view of Vick. What has he EVER whined about? I'd say that Vick is the least whining person I've seen in professional sports. He never complains about the refs, his fellow players, nothing.

WHOOOAAAAAA!!!!!

I agree with you, now you have started me arguing with my wife, thanks a lot jerk.

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	22-02-2005 11:22									#36
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My plan has worked.. that's what you get for doubting Vick... mwahaha



It's payback for making me look like I think Vick is like God (or Peyton ) when I argue on this site .

	22-02-2005 11:23									#37
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The dude is a whiner Im sorry he never takes responsiblilty for any mistakes made in a game he blames everyone else.
@ tubes Thanks Honey and F*** you.

	22-02-2005 11:24									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski The dude is a whiner Im sorry he never takes responsiblilty for any mistakes made in a game he blames everyone else. @ tubes Thanks Honey and F*** you.

Like when? He's consistently admitted that he needs to work on the passing game. He NEVER blames anyone else. He NEVER shifts responsibility. He always puts it on him.

	22-02-2005 11:25									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski The dude is a whiner Im sorry he never takes responsiblilty for any mistakes made in a game he blames everyone else. @ tubes Thanks Honey and F*** you.

I love you too baby.

The ironic thing is we are sitting 2 feet apart arguing over the internet........



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	22-02-2005 11:28									#40
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Things are sure getting fun at the Tuberski house .

	22-02-2005 11:29									#41
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I will receed a little cause Mcnab and culpepper beat him on the whining. Being a lefty like myself hes not all bad i just dont think hes great.

	22-02-2005 11:31									#42
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If ya wanna know the biggest whiner that would be eli manning. imho. Little b**** started to cry when he didnt get ny at first.

	22-02-2005 11:31									#43
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Like the old lady in the commercials: "Where's the Beef?"

You say he's a whiner, but no examples? Come on! Bring the beef!

	22-02-2005 11:37									#44
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I just remember one or two games where the guy calmly b****** about his wr not being able to catch his throws pardon me seniality is catching up with me. I did say i succeded a bit to ya know

	22-02-2005 11:40									#45
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you must be thinking of someone else.

Vick never throws to his WR's.

running QB's suck.

yeah, yeah I know. I kind of like the guy after his performance in this year's playoffs. He's got talent. He just needs to learn to use it in the proper way.

	22-02-2005 11:41									#46
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I haven't heard anything about Vick saying anything about his WRs not being able to do their jobs. In fact, he keeps praising them when they ****ing suck so damn bad!

I think people are just trying to get anything to stick on Vick .

	23-02-2005 18:55									#47
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So it's happening...

--Bledsoe agrees to terms with Dallas
--Shaun Alexander, Edgerrrin James, Rudi Johnson franchise-tagged
--New Vikes owner commits to keeping Randy Moss.
--and NE is so strong they can franchise tag Vinatieri!!!

	23-02-2005 19:07									#48
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quote: Vick never throws to his WR's.

It'd help if his WRs EVER got open. In the Pro-Bowl he looked WR first, because they had talent and were able to get seperation.

	23-02-2005 19:11									#49
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit So it's happening... --Bledsoe agrees to terms with Dallas

Good for Dallas. Bledsoe had his best years under Parcells and I think he'll get rejuvinated under him again. He's got a few more miles left on that arm, and Drew Henson can't step in now.

quote: --Shaun Alexander, Edgerrrin James, Rudi Johnson franchise-tagged

No shock. Signing Hasselbeck allowed Seattle to franchise Alexander instead of losing him.

quote: --New Vikes owner commits to keeping Randy Moss.

Again, no shock. You don't trade such a gamebreaker, especially when he makes you a ton of money on merchandising .

quote: --and NE is so strong they can franchise tag Vinatieri!!!

Or rather they don't have anyone else they'd rather franchise . The Falcons are so good, they don't have to franchise anyone . Same goes for the Giants, btw.

	23-02-2005 19:12									#50
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Vick with legit WR talent to go with the ATL ground game would be scary.

I thought Jenkins was a good draft pick last year, but he never really surfaced. Was he bad, or just underused?

	23-02-2005 19:21									#51
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Well he was a rookie. Usually most recievers 'break out' in their 3rd year. I'm willing to give him a chance, even if the sporttalk guys are already writing him off. He may be a Freddie Mitchell (horrible 1st round bust), or he may end up being fairly productive. I think it is too early to say. However, I think Atlanta needs a veteran WR, if just to teach young WRs like Jenkins the tools of the trade.

	23-02-2005 19:33									#52
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Didn't they have Not-So-Peerless Price last year?

	23-02-2005 20:09									#53
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Him and his like 5 years of experience?

	23-02-2005 21:54									#54
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They paid big bucks and did not get commensurate results.

They need a hot rookie and a free agent wideout this year. It won't be to hard to imporve over Dez White and Brian Finneran...

Don't know Atlanta's other needs, cap issues, etc. But they could be a kickass offense with a little better WR corps, the ongoing maturing process of M. Vick, and some cohesion/experience in running the offense.

Assuming no major brain cramps, Atlanta is my preseason pick to unseat the Eagles next year.

	23-02-2005 22:02									#55
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quote: Don't know Atlanta's other needs, cap issues, etc.

Cap is ok, I guess. I can't wait until Price comes off the books. The Falcons desparately needs some offensive line help! The running game and Vick hides the fact that the O-Line couldn't pass block a damn thing.

I wouldn't be surprised if they go after a Tackle in the 1st round. And in the get a Guard to go with him at some point. They also need some secondary help, but that's because Hall was a rookie and there were injuries on the other side, so I'm not sure if there will be an early draft pick on that.

Though I expect WR and OL to be drafted in the 1st two rounds at least (if not the first THREE).

	23-02-2005 23:05									#56
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If Bledsoe flops in Dallas, I'll bet Parcells is gone from there as well because Jerry Jones has been wanting Drew Henson in there but he is letting the Tuna do his thing.

Dallas also released DE Marcellus Wiley one year after giving him a huge contract...

Ravens release WR Kevin Johnson. Look for the Eagles to pick him up because he played with McNabb in college and they worked well together. See ya Freddie Mitchell!

	23-02-2005 23:19									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff Bledsoe might end up in Dallas with Parcells, the man who drafted him. I'm less sure about this than Garcia in Detroit, but it makes sense,

Looks like I was right about this one. Next "shocker": Garcia to Lions

	23-02-2005 23:22									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff Looks like I was right about this one. Next "shocker": Garcia to Lions

Bucs release Brad Johnson and ask Griese to restructure his contract. Griese refuses and Bucs sign Garcia..

	23-02-2005 23:44									#59
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit So it's happening... --Bledsoe agrees to terms with Dallas --Shaun Alexander, Edgerrrin James, Rudi Johnson franchise-tagged --New Vikes owner commits to keeping Randy Moss. --and NE is so strong they can franchise tag Vinatieri!!!

not a bad move considering how many games kickers won and lost last season. And new young kickers just aren't there anymore. Vinatieri has won them so many games. I'm not saying he's more important than Brady. But all of Brady's efforts to get down the field into field goal position would be for naught, if they didn't have a clutch field goal kicker.

I think too many kickers get dissed in the league for being useless and whiners (like VAnderjat ). But this guy deserves his paycheck.

	23-02-2005 23:56									#60
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit --and NE is so strong they can franchise tag Vinatieri!!!

It's not fair.