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Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
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Germany Says "Become a Ho or Lose Unemployment" Support Apolyton

'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits"

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'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'
By Clare Chapman
(Filed: 30/01/2005)

A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.



Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.

The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.

She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.

Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.

"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."

Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centres, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.

Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.

"Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.

Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.

Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.

Miss Garweg believes that pressure on job centres to meet employment targets will soon result in them using their powers to cut the benefits of women who refuse jobs providing sexual services.

"They are already prepared to push women into jobs related to sexual services, but which don't count as prostitution,'' she said.

"Now that prostitution is no longer considered by the law to be immoral, there is really nothing but the goodwill of the job centres to stop them from pushing women into jobs they don't want to do."

Elok is offline Elok
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I believe this was already mentioned a few days ago, though I'm not sure.

Last Conformist is offline Last Conformist
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Got spare money?

This is the frikken fourth thread on this.

And the Telegraph are still lying.

Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
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Kill it then Mods.

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The law that allows the sex industry to use the job centres must be amended so that it is made clear that the job centres are obliged to warn people about the nature of the jobs and that people have the right to to opt out of getting info on such jobs, to refuse attending interviews and to refuse taking such jobs without repercussions.

Common sense.

BeBro is offline BeBro
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You are still taking this story seriously it seems.....

Lawrence of Arabia is offline Lawrence of Arabia
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or you can just cut unemployment benefits for everyone

Lazarus and the Gimp is offline Lazarus and the Gimp
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It's a hoax that fooled the Telegraph.

Dis is offline Dis
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we've had like 5 threads on this.

Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
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Put an end to popups!

I reiterate to the mods. Kill this thread I started.

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the mods must not be here. you know what that means. yep, liscense to spam this thread.

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the mods must not be here. you know what that means. yep, liscense to spam this thread.



I do believe the mods have been around less and have been much less diligent in general over the last while

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