16-02-2005 23:51									#1
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This is old news, but anyhoo. The case is being reopened by a special sex crimes prosecutor.

Kristian Huselius, Henrik Tallinder and Andreas Lilja picked up the 22 year old on a popular night club in Stockholm. She was extremly drunk, but followed the three players to their hotel room. There she claimed that the players had sex with her against her will. When this was made public, Huselius, Tallinder and Lilja was immediately kicked out of the national team Tre Kronor. Huselius and Tallinder was also fired from their home team Linköping. Lilja was suspended from his team, Mora.

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	16-02-2005 23:57									#2
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And I forgot to mention that two of the players are married with children

	17-02-2005 00:09									#3
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We are indeed living in a global village if this is supposed to somehow be world news.

	17-02-2005 00:19									#4
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Well, those guys, at least Huselius were good players... too bad to hear this.

	17-02-2005 00:29									#5
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you didn't mention the most important part! (sorry, too lazy to read the article). Were they convicted? Women have been known to lie you know. It's rare, but it does happen.

	17-02-2005 00:40									#6
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Diss, in Sweden we don't put rapists in jail. Especially if it's gang rape. Then it's the girl's fault

	17-02-2005 01:03									#7
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It's little risk of them being convicted for rape. They might be nailed on sexual abuse.

They're getting raped by the media, tho, and I can't say I'm sympathizing with them.

	17-02-2005 01:12									#8
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Why should we care?

	17-02-2005 01:18									#9
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Diss, they were aquitted beacuse... wait for it... the girl was too drunk to remember much. And by the current swedish law itīs her own fault if she gets in trouble after drinking too much alcohol.

Winston, I wasnīt aware that this was a site for world news...

	17-02-2005 01:18									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid Diss, in Sweden we don't put rapists in jail. Especially if it's gang rape. Then it's the girl's fault

Its good to know that Men are guilty until proven innocent in the west in these matters.

	17-02-2005 01:20									#11
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Why should we care?

Why should we care about anything in OT? Itīs all insubstantial crap if you look at it that way...

	17-02-2005 01:24									#12
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No, thats not what I mean. Why should we care about this? Because its committed by hockey stars? Because we thought they were better than this? Its just simply 3 married guys raping a woman, thats all. It happens everyday.

Why bother to waste emotions or time on things like this? We dont know what happened, its useless to try to guess what really happened. Let the police handle it...

Poly OTF is not insubstantial crap. There are genuinely interesting news and topics here. If you got that attitude you got a problem.

	17-02-2005 01:32									#13
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Laurentius, I havenīt got that attitude. I thought you had.... I also think OT is genuinely interesting.

But why should we care? I donīt know, itīs always more news when someone slightly famous does something wrong. But I wouldīve been equally disturbed if three ordinary guys did it...

	17-02-2005 01:40									#14
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You can also use this as an example of the medias power, regardless if they are guilty or not they are already judged in the eyes of the public courtesy of Aftonbladet and Co.

	17-02-2005 01:43									#15
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Its just...we have had quite a few of these raping topics here already...

This is tabloid stuff really, the same **** we are being fed up by the yellow press every ****ing day.

"OMG Tommy Salo had sex with 4 underage monkeys"

"Mobs gather up to lych Salo"

"Salo flees to Finland"

"Salo get a job at the Helsinki Zoo"

Cant we talk about something else for a change?For example why is prostitution still illegal if people get so worked out by rapings? Why is sex for money a taboo in our society? Why is it so negative? And at the same time why has the paid sex industry evolved into something as twisted as pornography?

	17-02-2005 01:44									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Diss, they were aquitted beacuse... wait for it... the girl was too drunk to remember much. And by the current swedish law itīs her own fault if she gets in trouble after drinking too much alcohol. Winston, I wasnīt aware that this was a site for world news...

women have lied about these things before. You are saying you believe the women over the men?

I'm not defending the men here. I have no idea what happened.

	17-02-2005 01:47									#17
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Well, it is a bit tabloid. But Iīm bored, so I post threads But by all means, feel free to start threads on prostitution and pornography

	17-02-2005 01:47									#18
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Its just...we have had quite a few of these raping topics here already... This is tabloid stuff really, the same **** we are being fed up by the yellow press every ****ing day. "OMG Tommy Salo had sex with 4 underage monkeys" "Mobs gather up to lych Salo" "Salo flees to Finland" "Salo get a job at the Helsinki Zoo" Cant we talk about something else for a change?For example why is prostitution still illegal if people get so worked out by rapings? Why is sex for money a taboo in our society? Why is it so negative? And at the same time why has the paid sex industry evolved into something as twisted as pornography?

it's oppressive towards women. even the legal brothels.

	17-02-2005 01:50									#19
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I have to say, this is the closest I've ever felt to being in agreement with laurentius. It's a bit like last year when Mars and Earth were closer to each other than at any time in the past 60,000 years or something.

So at least this thread wasn't totally wasted.

	17-02-2005 01:53									#20
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Men can be prostitutes too. And grown people can make their own decicions without someone moralising them. Its not lethal, it might help reduce rapings. Its a job.

Individual success obsessed capitalistic society is oppressive towards humans by definition anyway.

	17-02-2005 01:53									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident women have lied about these things before. You are saying you believe the women over the men? I'm not defending the men here. I have no idea what happened.

The point is it doesn't matter whether you are guilty or not, you will get away with it in court but you will be guilty in the media

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident women have lied about these things before. You are saying you believe the women over the men? I'm not defending the men here. I have no idea what happened.

Well, it is possible that she couldīve made it up. That happens. But the players confirmed on a press conference that they took her to the hotel and then had sex with her. If it was voluntary on her part is the question.

	17-02-2005 01:54									#23
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Why isn't this worth of a 'Poly thread when the Motala case was? No-one asked "Why should we care" then.

	17-02-2005 01:57									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Well, it is a bit tabloid. But Iīm bored, so I post threads But by all means, feel free to start threads on prostitution and pornography

Nah, I'm not that interested in that subject. But at least we could make this thread useful by discussing the reasons behind this kind of crime instead of shooting banalities like "OMG This is horrible!" "Our justice system sux0rs" or "I hope he ****ing dies"

No offense intended, just speaking out what I think.

	17-02-2005 01:58									#25
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The solidarity in the gathering of money to help the girl with legal proceedings in the Motala case is treadworthy I think.

	17-02-2005 01:58									#26
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Who is/was Motala?

	17-02-2005 02:04									#27
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The Motala case was a 13-year old girl raped by a bunch of Kurds, aged 16-30 IIRC, and as usual they got away with it because they made her drunk before they raped her. It was therefore her own fault.

	17-02-2005 02:06									#28
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Ah yes it was one of the rape-threads we have been having...

	17-02-2005 02:09									#29
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Here you go, Laurentius

I think the reasons behind rape is that we live in a patriarchy. A male society, that treats women like commoditys that can be bought and sold at the wim of males. And thatīs why some men canīt take no for an answer. The woman is inferior and should please the man and do his bidding, she canīt say no. It doesnīt compute, so to speak.

Another explanation (that doesnīt exclude the first one) is that alltough we live in a male society itīs a society with strict hierachys even for males. And when youīre unemployed and or shunned by society as a whole (like many immigrants, especially muslim ones, are) then itīs easy to loose touch on ordinary human behaviour and gang rape someone. I think itīs a way to get back at society and to boost your own ego.

Or does this sound like loony left wing feminist crap?

	17-02-2005 02:09									#30
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It can't have been wholly her fault, since two of the guys were sentenced for sexual abuse, and the two others were freed because it couldn't be demonstrated to satisfaction that they'd actually had sexual intercourse with the girl.