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How do you view the world? (Time out:0 days after 17-02-2005, 18:59)
EVERYTHING is black & white. If you think it isn't, you just don't have all the facts yet.
Most issues are black and white, but a few are grey.
Most everything is shades of grey, but some issues are definitely black and white.
It's all grey, baby. It's ALL relative.
It's yellow, kind of like a...
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ajbera is offline ajbera
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Just having some idle thoughts before I get ready for work. Are you an absolutist or a relativist when you judge issues? Can everything be reduced to right & wrong, or is everything a shade of grey? I tend to think most issues are relative, but there are a few biggies that are black and white. I was just wondering what everyone else thought.

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My map says "Here there be dragons."

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Are you colour blind, dude?

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Are you colour blind, dude?


Amusingly enough, yes.

Elok is offline Elok
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Not only is everything black and white, I can play "Turkey in the Straw" by cranking Mr. Billy Goat's tail since he swallowed Minnie's violin and sheet music. I've even learned to rhythmically abuse the other animals so they make noises of protest to the tune. But we have to watch out, that mean captain's trying to ruin our fun.

Er, ahem, I mean, uh...

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There are very, VERY FEW "black and white" issues. Everything else is certainly grey.

Simple black and white issue? genocide. Rape.

Not murder, cause murder is defined as "unlawfull killing", which of course is predicated on what is "lawfull killing".

Everything bellow that certainly EDIT grey (had a little mistake here...), even if the shades sometimes come close to one state or the other.

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It's all grey. Some things are very dark or very light grey.

Flubber is offline Flubber
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quote:
Originally posted by GePap
There are very, VERY FEW "black and white" issues. Everything else is certainly grey.



Agree

quote:
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Simple black and white issue? genocide. Rape.



Again agree although there are many cases where the facts are very very far from black and white

Asher is offline Asher
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I think absolutely everything is relative.

Genocide and rape are just very very very very very extreme on the relativity scale.

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There is a point were being so close to 1 or 0 is 1 or 0.

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There is a point were being so close to 1 or 0 is 1 or 0.

Only with rounding errors.

Provost Harrison is offline Provost Harrison
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Colours, especially greyscale, are a dramatic oversimplification of the world around us. So I'll opt for yellow

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No absolute white, no absolute black in this world, but there are a lot of things that I decide to call "white" or "black".

No sheet of paper is really white, but from a certain level of whiteness, I will name some "white" and other "not-white".
The border will be dependent of my own subjectivity and the usage I have of that sheet.
And the fact that I say "This paper sheet is white" does not mean that I truely believe it is completely and absolutely white. It only means that all things considered, the existing, very tiny, black spots are irrelevants.

So, despite the fact that all things are grey, I think it is usefull to name the whitests ones "white" and the blackest ones "black",

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Understanding is a three edged sword. Your side, their side, and the truth.

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If you can find a black and white issue to begin with maybe you'll get a black and white answer.

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I chose the middle (3rd) option.

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I view the world as me on the top, you below me, but some of yous I can be seen with interracting, maybe. But this option should be left for me to be used, so don't go bragging around knowing me or I'll Zap you.

Kuciwalker is offline Kuciwalker
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From about 176 centimeters off the ground.

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I'd say it's mostly grey, but there are certain areas which are absolute - this is where ethics and morality kick in.

They kick in for some people more often than others.

Ten years ago I would have said "it's all grey" - but nearly everybody has some boundaries they will not or cannot cross.

Ari Rahikkala is offline Ari Rahikkala
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Banana. If morality wants me to acknowledge that some things can be evil and some good according to it, it should do a bit more existing and less being discussed about.

(complicated sentences with dubious grammar > morality)

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Amusingly enough, yes.


Oops, I'm sorry.

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Electromagnetically?

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quote:
Originally posted by Last Conformist
It's all grey. Some things are very dark or very light grey.



quote:
Originally posted by Dry
No absolute white, no absolute black in this world, but there are a lot of things that I decide to call "white" or "black".

No sheet of paper is really white, but from a certain level of whiteness, I will name some "white" and other "not-white".
The border will be dependent of my own subjectivity and the usage I have of that sheet.
And the fact that I say "This paper sheet is white" does not mean that I truely believe it is completely and absolutely white. It only means that all things considered, the existing, very tiny, black spots are irrelevants.

So, despite the fact that all things are grey, I think it is usefull to name the whitests ones "white" and the blackest ones "black",



quote:
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Understanding is a three edged sword. Your side, their side, and the truth.

I want a three edged sword. Can I have yours?

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Understanding is a three edged sword. Your side, their side, and the truth.


Ah, so we finally get someone quoting the Vorlons.

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It's all grey, but, since we can't change our species and chemical basis, some things may as well be considered black and white.

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