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Lawrence of Arabia is offline Lawrence of Arabia
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After thinking about this, its a wonder that rice hasnt been asked to resign yet. It was under her watch as NSA, that al qaeda attacked america. it was her job to protect america, and she failed miserably by not listening to her counterrorist chief Clark, and by ignoring 'al qaeda determined to strike within the US.'

her job was the protect america, and she didnt do it. the last time americ was attacked on its own soil was 1942. thats a long time ago. everyone else did their jobs. she failed.

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She doesn't seem all that sure of herself as Secretary of State, either. At least Maddie Albriecht had some cahones.

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is she the least qualified person in the admin (besides the alcoholic-cocaine-sniffing-draft-dodger guy named dubya)

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Well, this Admin seems to have a wealth of underqualified staff at the top. Condie, however, is definately near the top.

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She sucks in general

Another relic left behind in 1980s Cold War thinking

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even i coulda figured out that 'al qaeda determined to strike in US' shoulda been looked at. add to it the fact that clark was constantly trying to get her attention, and the fact that clinton told them what al qaeda was the biggest threat, and the fact that al qaeda had attacked US targets all around the world, and you realize that she might have had a phd is nuclear whatever, but she has no leadership skills, or intuition.

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Hindsight is always perfect.

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I don't know if she's more underqualified than Gonzales. I could doctor a less pitiful legal justification for torture than him.

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Hindsight is always perfect.


so true - but so should be the NSA's foresight!

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even i coulda figured out that 'al qaeda determined to strike in US' sh


Figuring it out and stopping it are two different things, you think the American people would have agreed to the measures nessacery to stop 9/11 *BEFORE* 9/11??

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Figuring it out and stopping it are two different things, you think the American people would have agreed to the measures nessacery to stop 9/11 *BEFORE* 9/11??


Probably just arresting a few people.

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Probably just arresting a few people.


You probably aren't familiar with this concept, but you need a reason to arrest people in the United States.

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Probably just arresting a few people.


You probably aren't familiar with this concept, but you need a reason to arrest people in the United States.

As long as they're not "enemey combatants."

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Her recent European trip was generally well received.

As for NSA, that's a tombstone job. Very tough in the best of times. She did tolerably well. Much better than Berger.

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I don't think any of the "enemy combatants" were arrested in America or held on American soil.

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One was. Bush set up a test case.

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Damn. Which one? Padilla?

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Jose Padilla was arrested in Chicago.

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And IIRC, Hamdi was held in South Carolina.

Edit: Turns out Padilla was too.

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They need to charge him (Padilla), then. This isn't China.

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Not Hamdi (a citizen FYI)? You think you should be held as an enemy combatant if the US picks you up outside of the country?

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You think you should be held as an enemy combatant if you the US picks you up outside of the country?


Pretty much. I'd also use it for non-US citizens picked up inside the US.

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Hate to tell you this people - 9/11 was totally preventable. If the new FAA administrator was not so bound and determined on reorganizing the FAA so as to permit outsourcing, and if the people at the top of various agencies had seen fit to make certain that the info about aircraft as suicide bombs had been well disseminated, we might be in a different world.

FAA policy, as well as US Airlines, was to cooperate with hijackers and do whatever they say. That is why men with boxcutters could hijack an airliner. The cockpit of every airliner has a small fire ax, which, combined with a narrow door, gives you a narrow one-at-a-time access. The resulting tussle, even if the crew loses, should result in a crash versus a controlled suicide bomb. That is worst case.

Since I work for the FAA, and I have watched the fixation with outsourcing my job - as of October 1st my job is eliminated, with the rest of the system close behind - this is from direct observation and fact. The first thing the new FAA adminstrator appointed by Bush did was to declare Air Traffic as not inherently governmental (i.e. not primarily safety oriented), versus pay attention to any of the admittedly limited warnings filtering down to the FAA. By the way, my division of Air Traffic never did strike, so you don't need to to make any ad hominen attacks in response.

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I don't think China is doing anything like that. They're too busy with Falun Gong and pro-democracy folks.

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But if China revoked citizenship from the pro-democracy folks or interdicted them outside of China, there's absolutely nothing with denying them due process and detaining them indefinitely.

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If there was reason to suspect that the apprehended people were planning or assisting terrorist attacks on China, then no.

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So if the Chinese gov't says that there's reason to suspect the pro-democracy people were planning terrorist acts, without any judicial oversight, it'd be ok to detain them indefinitely.

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They need to charge him (Padilla), then. This isn't China.

That's what we've been saying for quite some time now. Bush is pissing all over the Bill of Rights.

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Incidentally, I was watching an interview with Feingold, the only Senator to vote against the Patriot Act, where he was talking about his conversations about the Patriot Act with Ashcroft. He was saying that Ashcroft actually shared some of his concerns with regards to some of the more onerous provisions, but Ashcroft was over-ruled by the rest of the Admin. I suspect that Condi was a big part of that decision.

 
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