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Cause of crime in the U.S. found!! And no it isn't guns Full PM-box? Change here!

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20...TH-LEAD-DC.html

lead!!! You know, the stuff that gets in the environment from big industrial business. It gets in kids systems, and affects development of the brain. The article is going on pretty thin evidence, but I felt I would post this anyways. While it's a long shot, I won't discount it entirely. Although I feel violent movies are the main cause. And don't give me I can watch violent movies with no effect BS- not everyone's brain is the same. Or could be a combinations, a lack of impulse control and an underdeveloped brain combined with violent movies... Some people probably think people act like that in real life when they watch movies. Some people are just plain stupid.

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clearly the reason is violent movies, because human history was devoid of violence prior to the invention of the motion picture!!!!

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What are bullets made of? Lead! Clearly guns are to blame.

* Last Conformist clobbers nearest NRA member to death with a spoon.

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clearly the reason is violent movies, because human history was devoid of violence prior to the invention of the motion picture!!!!


yes but crime in the U.S. far exceeds that of outher countries.

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yes but crime in the U.S. far exceeds that of outher countries.
and those countries don't watch violent movies, right?

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and those countries don't watch violent movies, right?


not in India.

They watch those weird musical movies.

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yes but crime in the U.S. far exceeds that of other countries.


replace crime with Murder. Britain has 10 times the per capita violent crime that we do.

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Got spare money?

Last I heard, South Africa have several times America's murder rate.

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It's not guns, movies or pollution... it's women!

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4469
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Pretty women scramble men's ability to assess the future

Psychologists in Canada have finally proved what women have long suspected - men really are irrational enough to risk entire kingdoms to catch sight of a beautiful face.

Biologists have long known that animals prefer immediate rewards to greater ones in the future. This process, known as "discounting the future", is found in humans too and is fundamental to many economic models.

Resources have a value to individuals that changes through time. For example, immediately available cash is generally worth more than the same amount would be in the future. But greater amounts of money in the future would be worth waiting for under so-called 'rational' discounting.

But some people, such as drug addicts, show 'irrational' discounting. For example, preferring a small amount of heroin today rather than a greater amount in the future.

Margo Wilson and Martin Daly of McMaster University in Hamilton, Canada decided to investigate discounting behaviour and see if it varied with sexual mood.

Male students, when shown pictures of pretty women, were more likely to opt for short-term economic gain than wait for a better reward in the future.

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Both male and female students at McMaster University were shown pictures of the opposite sex of varying attractiveness taken from the website 'Hot or Not'. The 209 students were then offered the chance to win a reward. They could either accept a cheque for between $15 and $35 tomorrow or one for $50-$75 at a variable point in the future.

Wilson and Daly found that male students shown the pictures of averagely attractive women showed exponential discounting of the future value of the reward. This indicated that they had made a rational decision. When male students were shown pictures of pretty women, they discounted the future value of the reward in an "irrational" way - they would opt for the smaller amount of money available the next day rather than wait for a much bigger reward.

Women, by contrast, made equally rational decisions whether they had been shown pictures of handsome men or those of average attractiveness.

"We have not elucidated the psychological mechanisms mediating our results," says Margo Wilson. "But we hypothesise that viewing pictures of pretty women was mildly arousing, activating neural mechanisms associated with cues of sexual opportunity."

Tommaso Pizzari, an evolutionary biologist at Leeds University, offers another possible explanation: "If there's the prospect of getting a very attractive partner it may pay a man to take more risks than if an average partner was available."

He told New Scientist: "If this is a response to sexual selection then you would expect men who are less attractive to take more risks. If you have many attractive potential partners then it does not pay to take risks. If you are less attractive, with few potential partners, then it pays to take risks."


I would wager many women act irrational when they see an attractive woman too....

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not in India.

They watch those weird musical movies.


Where melodic crime is rampant.

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Last I heard, South Africa have several times America's murder rate.


perhaps they have a lead problem as well.

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It's teh Bush's fault.

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"They could either accept a cheque for between $15 and $35 tomorrow or one for $50-$75 at a variable point in the future."

I'll take the money immediately Thank you, "some unspecified variable point in the future" doesn't really sound all that great, especially considering the decline in the dollar

so in conclusion that proves that beautiful women help us make more rational choices.

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"They could either accept a cheque for between $15 and $35 tomorrow or one for $50-$75 at a variable point in the future."

I'll take the money immediately Thank you, "some unspecified variable point in the future" doesn't really sound all that great, especially considering the decline in the dollar


Conveniently unspecified for the reader, but perhaps not unspecified for the subject.

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so in conclusion that proves that beautiful women help us make more rational choices.


Behind every great man is a beautiful woman... or
Beneathe every great man is a beautiful woman... or
A beautiful woman with a beautiful woman is great... or....

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What are bullets made of? Lead! Clearly guns are to blame.

* Last Conformist clobbers nearest NRA member to death with a spoon.


Nowadays some bullets are made with copper instead of lead, for environmental reasons...

http://www.audubon-ca.org/Condor_lead.html

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They could either accept a cheque for between $15 and $35 tomorrow or one for $50-$75 at a variable point in the future.


The reseachers clearly have no economic training and doesn't know the concept of NPV.

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replace crime with Murder. Britain has 10 times the per capita violent crime that we do.


That's down to significant differences in how "violent crime" is defined and reported. Only the deeply gullible trust headline crime statistics.

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lead!!!


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Bah, the existence of laws and things it applies to (humans) is the true cause of crime.

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Is there any proof that lead is less prevalent in the environment in Europe than in the US?

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People are violent so they shoot other people, you take away thier guns so instead they stab people (prison is a good example of this), you take away thier knives so they beat people, you take away thier bats and tire irons so they beat people with thier fists and feet, you amputate every limb at birth so they spit at each other, you take away thier salivary glands so they shout and each other, you take out thier vocal cords at birth so they stare meanly at each other, you take out thier eyes so they become telepathic and can see stuff and levitate and move stuff with thier minds and pretty soon Jedis are reality and then we all have lightsabers and we live happily ever after.

So as you can see Im all for taking away guns, it means we get lightsabers!!!!

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Copper is also toxic (though rarely fatal or serious). Some countries are already moving to use of bismuth for shotgun pellets and perhaps bullets in the near future. Bismide is the buffering agent in Pepto-Bismal.

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lead!!!


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sugar, airborne lead from manufacturing, etc

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Nowadays some bullets are made with copper instead of lead, for environmental reasons...

http://www.audubon-ca.org/Condor_lead.html

Pinko environmentalists

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The former primary sources of childhood lead exposure, house paint and gasoline fumes have been reduced for over 35 years. One would think that there would have been a more dramatic decline in violent crime by now. OTOH in Europe many older buildings have lead based roofing, which surely must be a source of lead exposure.

Oh, and then there is the copious supply of lead spread around Europe by various military organizations over the past four centuries.

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Nowadays some bullets are made with copper instead of lead, for environmental reasons...


I dunno. Somehow "Hold it right there copper, or I'll fill you full of...er...copper," just sounds silly.

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Lead just makes people stupid, and of course stupid criminals get caught with greater likelihood and ease.

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