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For the first time that I can think of, a country is starting to experience a falling male population without some shock such as war, disease, natural disaster, etc. The labor force is already declining and from next year, the entire Japanese population is expected to begin a long decline.

Drake will have to curb his appetite for Japanese PYTs.

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Japan’s population set to fall from next year
By David Pilling in Tokyo
Published: February 22 2005 08:59 | Last updated: February 22 2005 08:59

japan workersThe number of men in Japan shrank for the first time since records began, heralding fall in the overall population from next year.
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The decline in the number of men signals an historic shift in Japan's population, the aging of which is likely to have a profound influence on the country's pension system, labour market and tax base.

Jeff Kingston, director of Asian studies at Tokyo's Temple university, said one recent study showed present-day retirees would extract a surplus of Y60m in pension payments above the amount they had paid into the system over their lifetime. Conversely, an average 20-year-old would receive Y40m less than he or she contributed.

If current trends continue, Japan's population will fall for the rest of the century, with the most severe estimates suggesting it could shrink by nearly two-thirds to 45m by 2100, the same level as in 1910 Meiji Japan.

According to statistics released on Tuesday by the ministry of internal affairs, the number of Japanese men fell nearly 9,000, or about 0.01 per cent, to 62.295m in the 12 months to October 1 last year.

Excluding the war years, when Japan suspended detailed classification of its population, that was the first time the male population declined since records began in 1920.

The population as a whole rose by just 0.05 per cent, or 67,000 to 127.687m, the smallest increase since 1950, and in any year with the exception of 1945 when numbers fell dramatically as a result of death in war.

Last year, the number of people aged 65 or older rose to a record high of 19.5 per cent of the whole population, while those under 14 fell to an all-time low of 13.9 per cent.

The labour force also continued to shrink. People aged between 15 and 64 fell 170,000.

An official at the ministry of internal affairs said the decline in male population was explained by the fact that more men had gone abroad for work. Figures showed that the number of Japanese men leaving the country exceeded those returning by 31,000.

That could reflect external factors such as the fading of Sars and terrorist attacks as disincentives to move abroad, officials said. It could also be a reaction to falling wages in Japan, which have been dropping continuously for seven years in spite of some economic growth.

Concerns about Japan's changing demographics are forcing legislative as well as social changes. The government last year implemented a pension reform that will steadily erode benefits while increasing premiums. It is also pushing business to extend the retirement age beyond 65, though in practice companies are offering early retirement to high earners in their 50s in order to cut wage bills.

Mr Kingston said that Japanese youth had lost faith in the pension system. Nearly 40 per cent of those over 20, including students, who should be paying into the national pension scheme for the self-employed and unemployed were refusing to contribute, he said.

Additional reporting by James Gregory

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Population decline is great from any number of angles:
- less pressure on the environment
- more comfortable living conditions for everyone
- greater value of labour
- bad for Capitalism

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This is more than balanced by the increase in Chinese males. Soon it will be time to take revenge for 1933 (among other things).

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Meh. China probably will be experiencing similar things in about 2030. Its population growth rate is plummetting.

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Why's only the male population declining?

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The female population will be declining in a couple of years too. Just the way the numbers work out.

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Why's only the male population declining?


On average, males are stupider than females and die first.

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Because Japanese women tend to want only one child, and they tend to prefer girls, so they're aborting the boys. Seems like Japan and China will be hooking up at last.

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more hot Japanese chicks for me.

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As if it was something new. Such decline is noticeable so early in Japan as its immigrant population is low, compared to Europe and the USA, where, for the huge replacement due to immigration from easter europe and muslim world/mexico and latin america, this trend cannot be noticed unless you make a specific research on the demographic trend of the "natural" population of Japan, Europe and USA, which is btw expected to collapse to -50% by 2050 unless replaced by mass foreign immigration

Remember why the Roman Empire collapsed?

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Because their army took up more and more of their GDP while doing less and less aside from occassionally overthrowing the government?

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Christianity? Malaria?

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Remember why the Roman Empire collapsed?


Because they became Christian.

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As if it was something new. Such decline is noticeable so early in Japan as its immigrant population is low, compared to Europe and the USA, where, for the huge replacement due to immigration from easter europe and muslim world/mexico and latin america, this trend cannot be noticed unless you make a specific research on the demographic trend of the "natural" population of Japan, Europe and USA, which is btw expected to collapse to -50% by 2050 unless replaced by mass foreign immigration


Italy is in similar straits as Japan. Japan's population growth rate is 0.05% while Italy's is 0.09%. I wouldn't put the US in the same sentence as Japan and Italy, because the US is so different.

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The Western Empire fell due to plague, among other things. It wasn't due to explicit choices by the masses. This explicit choice to have fewer children than is required for replacement over several generations appears to be the first of its type in history. Japan is the vanguard of this change.

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Note: I realize that there are several Eastern European countries with negative population growth. However, I view that as a long-running consequence of the man-made disaster of communism.

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Japan will make a fine province of China someday. Unless they get nukes first.

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Negative growth:

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Some people didnt read or understand the text properly (title was misleading)...
there is no great gap between the female and male population in actual number or rate of change in Japan.
The actual 'problem' is population decline, its just that the actual threshold reached to justify the article was male population has negative growth...

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title was misleading


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Yup Japan is headed for population decline.

Drake whats the climate there for immigration. Knowing what little I do about the inherent cultural biases I would assume immigration plays little to no role in the census numbers.

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Drake will have to curb his appetite for Japanese PYTs.


I'm outta here in a year and a half, so I'll be gone by the time the PYTs dry up. Still sad, though; I've been trying my best to reverse this trend, but it seems like all my efforts have been for naught...

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Drake whats the climate there for immigration. Knowing what little I do about the inherent cultural biases I would assume immigration plays little to no role in the census numbers.


Immigration is very small by American standards, but it does exist. Not really as an attractive place to immigrate to, though, from what I can tell. The economy has been ailing for over a decade now and a large proportion of low wage jobs have been outsourced overseas.

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Because Japanese women tend to want only one child, and they tend to prefer girls, so they're aborting the boys. Seems like Japan and China will be hooking up at last.


I was thinking the same thing.

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More hoes for the rest of us.

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More hoes for the rest of us.


Enough to till every garden and field in the country.

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The Western Empire fell due to plague, among other things. It wasn't due to explicit choices by the masses


You forgot one thing that is called "barbarian invasions" in italian textbooks, and "migrations" in german textbooks. BTW fertility rates in the Roman Empire collapsed in the last 150 years because of the huge raise of personal income taxes, forcing the masses to move away from cities

BTW plagues striked Europe for 600 years but didn't affect demographic growth

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I don't know about the income tax thing. That sounds like a novel theory of the history of the time, but I would be interested in hearing more about it.

Regarding the barbarian invasions, these wouldn't have been a big deal if the demographics were favorable. The cities in the Western empire experienced several crushing plagues throughout the empire's history. While this wasn't the only thing wrong with the empire, it certainly is the biggest, considering that economic power closely correllated to demographics during this period in history.

Nowadays, we have capital substituting for labor, which makes demographics slightly less important.

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I don't know about the income tax thing. That sounds like a novel theory of the history of the time, but I would be interested in hearing more about it


Well I study ancient history so I better be right in saying this

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Well, I'm not going to take your word for it. Plz summarize why this would be so.

 
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