23-02-2005 07:27									#1
	What are some good games I can get for free? Tired of ads?

and I didn't mean pirating- that seems too risky. You get viruses doing that ****.

I mean freeware and such you can find on the web. Of course those run the risks of virus' as well. So I'd appreciate virus free games

and many of you know what I like RPG's and TBS games.

	23-02-2005 08:12									#2
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If you haven't played The Ur-Quan Masters (aka Star Control 2) do so!

http://www.liberatedgames.com/ is a collection of, well, liberated games. Some are source code only and thus can't be run without the actual game for the data files, but some are free full releases.

A TBS to watch is UFO: Alien Invasion. It's a squad TBS in a similiar vein to X-COM. There are two very promising demos out, and a third with a more updated engine is nearing completion. Nowhere near finished yet, but they're a freeware group that actually seems to be committed and making progress, which seems to be a rariety.

http://www.agdinteractive.com/ is another good and committed team that has remade the first two King's Quests and is now remaking Quest for Glory 2; but don't bother if you don't like sierra-style VGA adventures.

	23-02-2005 14:50									#3
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You know that site I'm not allowed to link to? That's a good one.

	23-02-2005 16:35									#4
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike You know that site I'm not allowed to link to? That's a good one.

You mean the one with the prepositioned canines ??

Asmodean

	23-02-2005 16:47									#5
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Nethack.
Anacreon.
Battle for Wesnoth.
FreeCiv

These are all "community projects"

-Jam

	24-02-2005 00:22									#6
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quote: Nethack

He wants a good game.

Diss: there's a card game called Hoplites, it's based on a wargame called SPQR, irc. Just google it.

	24-02-2005 01:08									#7
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Oh is an awesome game too good for him?

-Jam

	24-02-2005 02:13									#8
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Nethack, awesome? Not sure we're talking about the same game here. Let's agree to disagree.

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	24-02-2005 02:15									#9
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Runescape can be fun. It can also get quite tedious at times too, though.

	24-02-2005 02:25									#10
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I gotta add to the Nethack love. I lost a looooooot of work hours playing that game. Very inventive and fun, and I was always quite sad if my dog died.

	24-02-2005 03:36									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Nethack. Anacreon. Battle for Wesnoth. FreeCiv These are all "community projects" -Jam

Can't argue with that (specially the last ). Wesnoth is a very good game both SP and MP. You can look up some of the older threads about wesnoth on this forum. And of course FC itself. You should try out FC 2.0 sometime, the best is still to come.


Another one I can add is Jagged Alliance 2. The source code has been released under a very friendly GPL-type language and is basically free for normal use.

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/cgi-...i?ubb=get_topic;f=39;t=000006

	24-02-2005 23:10									#12
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We can't link abandonware sites but if you go looking for abandonware, they usually rank games for quality. There are some real gems out there.

	25-02-2005 00:01									#13
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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK Another one I can add is Jagged Alliance 2. The source code has been released under a very friendly GPL-type language and is basically free for normal use.

Wow, didn't know that. Great game, though it has a steep learning curve, especially if you get no manual.

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	25-02-2005 05:30									#15
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Nethack, awesome? Not sure we're talking about the same game here. Let's agree to disagree.

mmm ... roguelike loooove ...

Mines of Moria - or Angband, essentially an upgrade from Moria - is a great roguelike game (ascii-graphics dungeoncrawler RPG) that is based, loosely, on Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. Of course you don't have to know anything about LOTR, and there's no Frodo, Gandalf, or actually any other character except bad guys in it (as roguelike games don't have good guys, just baddies, in my experience). VERY addictive, i warn you.

http://www.thangorodrim.net/ i believe is the site for that.

	25-02-2005 06:10									#16
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Ascii graphics? Thanks, but no thanks! At least, there's a non-ascii version of Nethack. It takes some of the pain away. If I want a good roguelike game, I'll get Diablo 2. At least Blizzard got the gameplay right. But I don't want roguelike games, I can't stand them anymore. Even Diablo 2 bores me.

	25-02-2005 06:41									#17
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Ascii graphics? Thanks, but no thanks! At least, there's a non-ascii version of Nethack. It takes some of the pain away. If I want a good roguelike game, I'll get Diablo 2. At least Blizzard got the gameplay right. But I don't want roguelike games, I can't stand them anymore. Even Diablo 2 bores me.

Eh, comparing Diablo and Nethack is like comparing Civ and Age of Empires. For one thing I don't think you can call it a roguelike if it is not divided into turns.

	25-02-2005 07:04									#18
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Nethack and Diablo have a lot of elements in common. Kill the monster, collect the loot, pump up your stats, repeat. Btw, in the first stages of development, Diablo was turn-based, then they tried it in real-time. Voilà! I agree that Nethack is more complex than Diablo, but was is the point? After all, basically it's the same game: kill the monster, collect the loot, pump up your stats, repeat.
But I have top admit that I tried Nethack like... 30 minutes, then I said to myself: there's no way I'll learn all these commands for... for what? A bloated version of Diablo? A game that bores me to tears?

	25-02-2005 07:48									#19
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Nethack and Diablo have a lot of elements in common. Kill the monster, collect the loot, pump up your stats, repeat. Btw, in the first stages of development, Diablo was turn-based, then they tried it in real-time. Voilà! I agree that Nethack is more complex than Diablo, but was is the point? After all, basically it's the same game: kill the monster, collect the loot, pump up your stats, repeat. But I have top admit that I tried Nethack like... 30 minutes, then I said to myself: there's no way I'll learn all these commands for... for what? A bloated version of Diablo? A game that bores me to tears?

I guess that is where we differ, adding more complex gameplay never makes me think 'So what?'. I played Diablo for maybe a week before being able to play it optimally, not accounting for reflexes. Once it gets to that point, the only reason to continue is for the (thin) plot, or the arcade action which can be found in hundreds of games. By contrast, I'm still fiddling with tactics and options in Nethack, after playing it for years.

	25-02-2005 08:02									#20
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Ascii graphics? Thanks, but no thanks! At least, there's a non-ascii version of Nethack. It takes some of the pain away. If I want a good roguelike game, I'll get Diablo 2. At least Blizzard got the gameplay right. But I don't want roguelike games, I can't stand them anymore. Even Diablo 2 bores me.

Why bother with the non-ascii version ?? That's like taking Chess and adding super-fancy 3d graphics and battling pieces. Ok, looks fun for a while, but really pretty useless in the long run, i'll take the 2d version anyday.

(Or of course you could take the game, make it 3d, and then turn it into Checkers ... which is a pretty good comparison to Roguelike games transforming into Diablo.)

Diablo, btw, which is in no way shape or form a roguelike game. "Roguelike" describes a particular subset of ascii graphical games that are similar to the game Rogue, and have a similar style, command set, etc. They are dungeon crawlers, like Diablo, and undoubtedly someone was playing a bit too much Nethack when he suddenly thought, "Wow, Diablo!" and made Diablo - but the similarity ends there.

Admittedly I don't play much Angband anymore, just as a mindless diversion really, and I enjoyed Diablo (but not Diablo II as much, oddly) ... but I still find great distinction between the two.

	25-02-2005 14:37									#21
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The best rogue-like game is Omega.

	25-02-2005 16:41									#22
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Why bother with the non-ascii version ?? That's like taking Chess and adding super-fancy 3d graphics and battling pieces. Ok, looks fun for a while, but really pretty useless in the long run, i'll take the 2d version anyday.

I think he means the 2D non-ascii version. It uses little tiles to replace each ascii character. It makes Nethack perfect.

The lastest version of Nethack comes with both ascii and tiles interface.

-Jam

	26-02-2005 00:55									#23
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what the hell is roguelike?

	26-02-2005 01:12									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident what the hell is roguelike?

Roguelike FAQ

	26-02-2005 02:50									#25
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Wow, didn't know that. Great game, though it has a steep learning curve, especially if you get no manual.

Apparently it was released without much fanfare. I was rather surprised myself when it popped up as an "old" news item at one of JA2 sites whilst looking for some new mods.

Oddly, I would have expected the JA2 source release to be shouted of the rooftops, it is a classic TBS. But hardly a word beyond the JA community. Even there it isn't really common knowledge.

You should also check out the source and read some of the comments in some of the modules. The ones about the motivation for the AI design are quite insightful.


As for a manual, you'll get just as far with a good FAQ/strat guide.

	27-02-2005 06:44									#26
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System Shock 2 is free now, GTA1&2 are too, great games.
Most old games you can find somewhere on the web

	27-02-2005 16:16									#27
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Old games:

	27-02-2005 16:16									#28
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Yeah System Shock 2 is well worth the download, even if it takes you a little while on 56K.

	28-02-2005 00:08									#29
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where can I find these games? system shock 2 and jagged alliance2

nethack. I've thought about it, but I do admit, I like graphics. Sure gameplay is always the most important. But non graphical games I can only play for an hour or two before they hurt my eyes. I'm not talking about top notch graphics here. Just sufficient graphics to get the job done. SMAC is an example of this.

	28-02-2005 00:16									#30
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System Shock 2 is available from the place I omitted to mention the other day in response to your question because the owners of this site look unfavourably on it.

JA2 (from what Cap says) is available in source code form. You may have to compile it, or whatever it's called.