05-03-2000 04:27									#1
	Should I buy Civ II? Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Hi!

I bought CtP some weeks ago and it is the best computer game I ever played. Now I read that some people think it is not so good. So I ask me whether I should try Civ II. What do you think?

Thanks in advance,
Dani

	05-03-2000 05:43									#2
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Yes! Buy Civ 2: Multiplayer Gold Edition.
Then, come back to this site and get the patch and a few essential scenarios.

Essential scenarios:
i.Mars, on the CD you buy.
ii. World War 2, Pacific, European, African, and China scenarios.
iii. Mongols version 3.

I haven't seen any good ancient scenarios yet.

Good luck!

	05-03-2000 06:27									#3
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Dani:

Sure. Despite the recent "flood" of Civ-related games, the best of 'em all, IMHO, is still Civilization II and Multi-player Gold Edition.

CYBERAmazon

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	05-03-2000 08:39									#4
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Yes I hated CTP, CivII is the best followed by Alpha Centauri.


Please rate my Civ-series site in the link section at http://apolyton.net/cgi-bin/links/review.cgi?ID=9

	05-03-2000 09:29									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

YES YES YES!

	05-03-2000 09:30									#6
	Got spare money?

Most definately buy it. Just don't expect the graphics to be as crisp and up to date as CTP's. But the gameplay and interace is far superior to CTP.

	05-03-2000 09:32									#7
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Add another yes. Civ2 is the closest you can get to the perfect gameplay experience.

It runs well, it plays well, and it's fun (addictive, engaging, etc...).

	05-03-2000 09:53									#8
	Got spare money?

Resounding YES!! There is definitely a reason that Civ II and Civ II MPG are such popular and addictive games! Now, is the best time ever to buy it with the prices dropping! The current price for Mac version has recently dropped to $9.99 (US) for Civ II and $19.99 for MPG! See the MacSoft/GT Interactive Store. If you're a PC user I'm sure the price is lower yet! As for the choice between Civ II and MPG, I would choose MPG. While there are more bugs, nothing beats the worldwide friendships that playing multiplayer creates! If you get MPG you can use the King's Chat to annoy THE DIETY with food recipes!

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	05-03-2000 19:00									#9
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Yes,yes, YES! Buy the Civ II MGE.
I have a friend at work that thought he liked Call to Power.
He was wrong.

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	06-03-2000 00:11									#10
	Put an end to popups!

i have civ and its clones and SMAC and civ2 MGE is the best by a landslide...... plus its dirt cheap now

	06-03-2000 16:05									#11
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I don't think you will find a single dissenting voice on this forum - Yes buy Civ 2 (I actually prefer the old v2.42 - there is more diplomacy - but no multiplay - take your choice)
p.s. I have C:CtP I found that all it did was remind me how much I truly loved Civ2 and get me back playing it after a lapse of a few years
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	06-03-2000 23:30									#12
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Civ2 is well worth the Dmarks or Euros or whatever you have to use to buy stuff these days. I think the MGE edition (Multiplayer Gold Edition) is sold in Deutchland as UCC or Ultimate Civilization Collection. One of the German posters here may be able to clarify that fact.

There are several editions of Civ2:

Civ2 Fantastic Worlds Scenario Collection is the best if you like the hundreds of custom scenarios on the net - many better than the original game;

MGE/UCC is the best for internet play, though it also will work for the scenarios (but it makes them harder by breaking designed alliances, etc; ) and

Test of Time if you want to be cutting edge and be the first to use the enhanced graphics and don't mind missing 1000 available scenarios that won't run in ToT.
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	06-03-2000 23:44									#13
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i own both MGE and TOT. they're both great. the way that the basic games have been expanded is mind-blowing. however, for a good scenario, i go to MGE. Civ is king...err... emp-DIETY!

	08-03-2000 11:28									#14
	Got spare money?

Hey, War4Ever, how about sending me a copy? I can't find a damn copy in all the stores I could find in New Zealand.

	09-03-2000 21:28									#15
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Hi!

OK, you all convinced me.
But just one stupid question more: Is ToT an addon to CivII, or a different game?
Unfortunately I didn't find an Online Store that sells MPG here in Germany, just the normal Civ II, but I will search further.

Thanks a lot,
Dani

	10-03-2000 02:09									#16
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Comrade Dan which do you want a copy of .....

	10-03-2000 05:04									#17
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Dani,

Test of Time contains the original game as well as three 'modpacks' (that is, game variations). One is a sci-fi version, one a fantasy version (elves, goblins, etc.), and one is an 'extended' version that continues for a little while after Alpha Centauri has been reached (one of the end points in 'traditional' Civ2). There's also a scenario included on the CD-ROM (Midgard), while there's another 'official' scenario downloadable from several sites including Apolyton (Time Threat Paradox). There are a small number of independent scenarios for ToT floating around, available from places such as civ.cx .

If you have no versions of Civ2 at all, I might be inclined to go for Civ2 Multiplayer Gold (MPG Edn.) or Fantastic Worlds first, however I'm a fan of Test of Time, and wouldn't disregard the option of getting that at some point if you can afford it.

The reason for so many variants is largely commercial (given Civ's huge following) although each version / add-on has brought something new - Conflicts in Civilizations brought scenario making to the fore and fixed a few bugs in the process, Fantastic Worlds added new commands to the 'events' program language (for scenario writing), extra slots (so you can add more units and technologies) and a scenario editor within the program (supposed to make it easier to write scenarios). Multiplayer Gold brought, obviously, the multiplayer aspect to the game, and it's the latest 'traditional Civ2' version around. You can play all scenarios on MPG Edn. except the very few games written for Test of Time. You can play 'traditional' scenarios in Test of Time, but you will require a conversion program (see the ToT forum - Civ Converter threads).

The downside is that while generally being 'forwards compatable', scenarios are not 'backwards compatable'. That is, a scenario written on MPG can't pe played if you only have Fantastic Worlds (being an older version of Civ2), but a Fantastic Worlds scenario can be played on MPG.

Confused yet?

For varying opinions on ToT... apolyton.net/forums/Forum29/HTML/000673.html
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	10-03-2000 06:16									#18
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Just my two cents,

If you want to partake in scenarios or customization, there's no better game than Civ2. However, you don't get the same scope as in CtP wrt to undersea and orbital cities.

	10-03-2000 12:37									#19
	Put an end to popups!

MPGE please War.

	10-03-2000 21:00									#20
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

YEESSSS Buy it ! It is the best TBS game by far nqa. The MGE has some bugs but nothing that we can't live with, and it is the most advantageous version you can buy now. In graphics CIV 2 is already a little old fashioned, but the playability and the strategy aproach consistence is unbiteable. If you are already a experienced player in CTP you, probably, have already realized you don't need to use tech tree, wonders etc. to win. It is mostly a strategy military game. No way in Civ 2. We can win with a military aproach, but it will be very, very hard, so you are challenged to combine strategies and
knowlegement, speed and wisdom. It is better by far.

	12-03-2000 09:52									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Should you buy CIVII ???
hmmmm...
if you don't take our word for it then consider this :
1. Every major gaming magazine in the world always lists CIV2 in the top 5 games of ALL time.
2. Nearly 4 years after its release CIV2 is still selling, still on harddrives, constantly played,constantly disscussed, and new scenarios and graphics created and posted.
3. it can bought for under ten bucks.

4. and finally but most importantly, it's fun to play...

	12-03-2000 21:06									#22
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Comrade Dan: Have you tried online or mailorder? Mac users often run into the "not available locally problem too. Checkout MicroWarehouse at http://www.warehouse.com/customerService/ this URL goes to the Customer Service page where they promise to try to ship to all international sites! (operative word there is "try") The advantage to buying an official copy is that you get a hardcopy manual plus the Tech Tree posters (note to mention the ethical bonus points!) Look around, SOMEONE must ship to New Zealand!

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	15-03-2000 11:40									#24
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Dani, asking these people if you should buy civ is like asking drug addicts if you should use drugs. Don't do it! Before civ, I had a life.



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	16-03-2000 04:00									#25
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I have been doing some study with the MGE and I am able to conclude that there is a serious AI diplomacy bug in there. Its aggressiveness level makes some scenarios not fun to play.

When I have some more time, I will post over here all I know about this fact and my letter interchanges with Microprose.

As a preview: If you buy MGE because ou think it does contain FW and Conflicts in Civilization with the standar CIV2, then I regret to tell you that you will be dissapointed.

I will explain more about this in a new topic someday.

	17-03-2000 10:21									#26
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Lazlo - I have played most of the stock scenarios in MGE and I strongly disagree that it ruins them. They do play slightly differently, but I have to say that if you adapt your strategy to the MGE model and don't try to force v2.42 playing style into MGE, you will be much more successful.

I know we have argued this point before, and I am curious about your recent findings, but I repeat that I have essentially NO diplomacy or military problems with scenarios in MGE.

	29-03-2000 17:15									#27
	Put an end to popups!

So Dani, what's the verdict? Did you buy MPG? If so, was it worth it? (real question, not retorical) Who did you get it through and what did you pay?

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	01-04-2000 02:45									#28
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I own Civ2MPG. It is a great game, and I highly recomend it. The only thing that I can say is that it might be good to wait a bit. A bunch of new 'civ' games will be out before the end of the year, and I might wait for the reviews…



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	01-04-2000 17:18									#29
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Dani, keine Frage.

Ich hab' selbst CtP gespielt und muß sagen, daß es gute Ansätze hat aber mühsam umgesetzt ist. CivII ist viel leichter zu gestalten. (Schau Dir nur mal die vielen Szenarios im www an!) Es ist zwar schon etwas veraltet, doch kauf Dir die "Ultimate CivilizationII Classic Collection". Ich hab sie um ÖS 299,-- (ca. DM 30,--) beim Media Markt gefunden.

Viel Spaß, TOMtheONE
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