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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:22
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It looks like the Anglican church may experience a schism over an open, practicing gay bishop in the States.
I have a feeling that this is very bad news for christianity. I'm in the RCC, so schism may mean more to me than it does to protestants, whose predecessors quit the RCC. The church is trying to patch up 900 years of water under the bridge, and it's a damned difficult thing to do. The Pope can be instrumental in bringing down a huge empire, but stumbles when trying to mend ties with the orthodox church -- it's a much more difficult task.
In any event, I feel like even though I'm not Anglican, I have a stake in how this turns out. How do the Anglicans here feel about this?
quote:
US, Canada ordered to leave Anglican Church over gay issue
The leaders of the world's 38 Anglican Churches have for the first time formalised the split in the Communion prompted by the ordination of an actively gay bishop in the US.
The primates, or archbishops, meeting in Northern Ireland have asked the American and Canadian churches to withdraw from the Communion's chief representative body for three years.
They have been asked to explain the appointment of the actively homosexual bishop, Gene Robinson and have in effect three years to get back into line or face possible expulsion.
Several traditionalist churches have already broken relations with the American church to some degree, but tonight that split was formalised.
An American bishop says it is possible the Church's liberal and traditional wings may now go their separate ways.
But the Primate of Australia, Archbishop Peter Carnley, who is in Britain, says a split is not inevitable.
"It's possible to disagree on theological points and ways of ordering the church without parting company," he said.
"I think people find it very difficult to understand that Christians are able to do that.
"We can talk to one another and stay together and enjoy a high level of fellowship, even while disagreeing about issues."
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitem...02/s1311523.htm
Last edited by DanS on 25-02-2005 at 20:40
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Elok
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Land of Ramen Dragons
Mar 2003
time: 00:22
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Originally posted by Bkeela
I can't help observing the situation with morbid fascination. The traditional denominations seem to be crumbling with rot, while the fanatical, deeply ignorant, Pentecostal style churches thrive.
Poor old Christianity is starting to wear thin. |
Er, Orthodoxy's going strong, thank you. All that's happening is that the traditional Protestants, having lost the RCC as a plausible threat to unite and rebel against, have turned their revolutionary tactics inwards and devoured themselves. The Pentecostals, being themselves a rebellion against the traditional Protestants which began in the 1800s, are riding the same wave of rebellious spirituality that made Luther and Calvin huge around the time of the renaissance. Given the accelerating nature of historical trends, I give them about fifty years, tops, before they start to self-cannibalize too.
No, probably not even fifty years, they're an extremely venomous and virulent branch, and the "high churches" are dying out just as they're rising into their own as a rebellion. Give them a while and watch them disintegrate. I'm not worried, of course, because the public is clearly not tired of Christianity, they just get tired of the games we've been playing for four hundred years and change. Which means that the church that stands to gain the most is, what a surprise, my own. Yay.
I'll leave your customary condescension about primitive mud-man superstitions where it is. You folks will fight to the death to keep your facade of intellectual superiority, and there are better things to fight over. 
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
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Bishop Robinson should never have been confirmed, not because he is gay, but because he is having sex outside of marriage. Bishops aren't supposed to be leading lives of sin. Now, all he needs to do, however, is bop across the border and get married in Ontario or Massachusetts. I do not think, however, that Episcopalians recognize gay marriage yet.
Now, if Robinson cares about his faith, he'll step down.
As an ex-Episcopalian, it saddens me to see the victory of bigotry in what is typically a rather liberal church.
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Heresson
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of frogs
Jun 2000
time: 06:22
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Bkeela and Kuci...
You are iving proof of that You can be ignorant agnostics/atheists as well.
As for the case, I have mixed feelings:
- ordaining gay bishops  
- ordaining gay bishops as result of fresh reading of Jesus' message
- ordaining gay bishops as result of allien of Christianity ideologies
- the traditional splitters joining RCC --> bigger RCC
- more conservatism in RCC
- survival of Christianity
- survival of the anti-sexua...
OK, I'll stop now.
Anyway, it all comes of the problem of sexuality in Christianity. Ir may be questionabe if from the start, but for a very very long time, up to today, sexuality was dismissed as something dirty and sinful. I do not agree with that. On the other hand, Jesus did consider prostitution a sin, and yet I do not see anything wrong in that. And St Paul (and Od Testament) did find homosexuality wrong. It's not a big problem with me, Old Testament I don't care about, and St Paul didn't have to be right in everything, but it's not what a decent Christian church can say.
On one side, I see ordaining a gay bishop as a progress to some extent, and on the other, I feel such decision does not come of Christian roots, and even if it does, it will soon be used by Christianity(all or just some denomination)-bashers as a comfortable attack opportunity.
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