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After being accosted by a missionary I have acquired a particular dislike for these people, and they're not endearing themselves to me with this...

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Mormon scholar, 95, is accused of rape by daughter
From Chris Ayres in Los Angeles
THE daughter of a prominent Mormon scholar is to accuse her 95-year-old father of raping her as a child in a forthcoming memoir.

Martha Beck, a sociologist and therapist, will claim that she has “recovered” memories of ritual sexual abuse more than two decades ago by her father, Hugh Nibley, Professor emeritus of ancient scripture at Brigham Young University in Utah. Dr Nibley is considered the leading living authority on Mormon teaching.

“I didn’t write it to convince anyone not to be Mormon or not to join the Mormons,” Dr Beck said in an interview with The New York Times. “I just needed to get the story of my childhood out of my system.”

In the book, Dr Beck will say that she suffered pain and bleeding from the age of five.

She says that doctors have since confirmed that the unusual scar tissue in her vaginal area was not the result of childbirth. It was not until she was in her late twenties, however, that Dr Beck says she experienced a “flashback” of her father raping her while chanting verses about Abraham and Isaac.

The Mormon Church has already released a statement on the book, calling it “seriously flawed in the way it depicts the church, its members and teachings”. Dr Beck and her publisher, the Random House imprint Crown, both say that they have received death threats.

Meanwhile, more than 3,500 protest e-mails have been sent to the television host Oprah Winfrey after she featured the memoir in her magazine, O, in which the Harvard-educated Dr Beck writes a monthly self-help column.

On her website, Ms Winfrey describes Dr Beck as “the woman with the blueprint to stress-free living” and “one of the smartest women I know”.

Dr Beck’s memoir, entitled Leaving the Saints: How I Lost the Mormons and Found my Faith, will come as yet another blow to the insular and patriarchal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the largest Mormon denomination.

This month alone, a Mormon leader in Idaho has been jailed for soliciting sex on the internet from an under- cover police officer posing as a 14-year-old girl. Clayton Hildreth, 52, used the screen name “Sexy Montana Gentleman” and turned up to what he thought was the girl’s house with three condoms, a gift of thong underwear and a digital camera.

Meanwhile, a horror novel entitled Wives and Sisters, based on the Mormon church, has also been published in America. The well-known author Jon Krakauer tackled the subject of Mormon culture in 2003. His book, Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith, was also criticised by the Mormon Church ahead of its publication.

At 95, Dr Nibley is said to be unable to respond to questions. Dr Beck’s seven brothers and sisters, however, have defended their father. They have also hired a lawyer who has sued therapists who practice “recovered memory” therapy.

Dr Beck says she twice confronted her father about claims of sexual abuse. The first was at a family therapy session, shortly after she says she recovered the rape memories in 1990. She tried again in 2001 at a meeting in a hotel.

One member of Dr Beck’s family, who has insisted on anonymity because of threats of physical violence, supports the claims of abuse.

In 1990 Dr Beck wrote a book arguing that homosexuality was a compulsive behaviour that could be overcome. Now divorced, Ms Beck lives in Phoenix, Arizona, with her three teenage children and her homosexual partner of ten years.

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Dr Beck says she experienced a “flashback” of her father raping her while chanting verses about Abraham and Isaac.


I find myself unsurprised by this

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Misleading title ...

While I don't see anything inherently implausible about elderly mormons raping their daughters, I'm decidedly sceptical of "recovered memories".

She would appear to have a case on that scar tissue, tho.

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I agree with LC, if I were a jurior you have lost me with "recovered memories" AKA hypnosis.

But if it is true castrate and beat the man to death.

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Now please tell me what this (whether this is something real or not) has to do with the mormonhood of the man? I mean, I'm not exactly loving the knock-knocks but sexual abuse happens everywhere from Jews over Hare-Krishna (in whose colleges sexual abuse was/is rampant) to atheists...

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scar tissue is enough proof for me.

death penalty for this guy.

we need to put more whites on death row so people stop complaining about the number of blacks on death row. . Kind of an affirmitive action for whites.

oh wait, for some stupid reason child abuse is a minor crime in the U.S. that can only get a few years in prison even though it's the worst imaginable crime. If any crime should be death penalty, it's this one.

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Now please tell me what this (whether this is something real or not) has to do with the mormonhood of the man? I mean, I'm not exactly loving the knock-knocks but sexual abuse happens everywhere from Jews over Hare-Krishna (in whose colleges sexual abuse was/is rampant) to atheists...


no athiest would ever rape a child.

stop using logic against these religion hating people.

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Awesome.

Wouldn't scar tissue simply proved she was raped, not who raped her? How clear is this "recovered memory," could it not be another male in the family?

"recovered memory" is stupid anyways. I don't see how anyone can take it seriously.

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You don't think the sexual repression in organised religion leads to a dangerous situation wrt abuse?

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You don't think the sexual repression in organised religion leads to a dangerous situation wrt abuse?


it's different for mormons.

He had a daughter, so obviously he was allowed to have sex unlike catholics.

I don't believe they have the sexual repression of other religions.

If anything, mormons are too open sexually with regards to sex with young girls. It's considered acceptable to have sex with underage girls. Although that isn't really a religious thing, more of a culture thing in Utah.

edit: after it seems he was only a scholar anyways, not a priest.

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this strikes me as funny, I don't know why.

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I believe people are repressed all the time. However, I don't think hypnotizing people and then suggesting to them what they SHOULD remember is anything to base criminal proceedings on. And yes, that is a exacty how the technique works.

And once again, how is this case anything more than her word agains his. And now that they have introduced this phycho babble BS there is even less than that.

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And once again, how is this case anything more than her word agains his.

Plus the little issue of scar tissue.

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If anything, mormons are too open sexually with regards to sex with young girls. It's considered acceptable to have sex with underage girls. Although that isn't really a religious thing, more of a culture thing in Utah.


Completely uninformed about the Mormons. They are probobly the most rabid "no sex until marriage" advocates out there, including catholics. I remember getting "how to avoid the evils of masterbation" and "French kissing is premarital sex" paplets when I went to a picnic with a freind of mine who was mormon.

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They do, however, seem to have very liberal attitude to very early marriages, at least for women.

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Tassadar should be ashamed of himself.

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They do, however, seem to have very liberal attitude to very early marriages, at least for women.


I'd call it old school conservative. conservative by hundreds or even thousands of years

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Old-school patriarchalists didn't usualy much object to extramarital sex per se.

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I'd call it old school conservative. conservative by hundreds or even thousands of years


As old as the Book Mormon.

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I don't believe all that recovered memory stuff. I doubt most of what is recovered really happened.

That being said, I consistently pray that I will recover a memory of being ravished by Samantha Fox when I was 15.

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I have never believed in recovered memories. but I do believe in scars.

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I have never believed in recovered memories. but I do believe in scars.


If those shapes have her father "barrel marks" then she has a case, otherwise she just has scars.

ACK!

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Now please tell me what this (whether this is something real or not) has to do with the mormonhood of the man? I mean, I'm not exactly loving the knock-knocks but sexual abuse happens everywhere from Jews over Hare-Krishna (in whose colleges sexual abuse was/is rampant) to atheists...


My mormon seminary teacher believed that it's because people expect Mormons to be decent people, so when they aren't, it's news.

ACK!

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My mormon seminary teacher believed that it's because people expect Mormons to be decent people, so when they aren't, it's news.
ACK!


Well, for the same reason then as it's bigger news when priests are child molestors. That said, I never believed either priest, nor, even more generally, members of any religious belief, were by definition more decent people...

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If it really was ritual sexual abuse, as she's claiming, the father's religion is relevant.

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I don't believe all that recovered memory stuff. I doubt most of what is recovered really happened.

That being said, I consistently pray that I will recover a memory of being ravished by Samantha Fox when I was 15.


That would be 'confirmed lesbian, Samantha Fox' surely.

Are you implying she was after your manboobs ?

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If it really was ritual sexual abuse, as she's claiming, the father's religion is relevant.


Yes, but then, still, you can't blame mormonism for it, as it doesn't advocate that. Then make the private sick mormon-derivate religion of Dr.X responsible... It could as well a christian, islamic, jew or whoever person with a mental problem find a way to make his religion "fit" with such practice. Unless such behaviour isn't advocated/practiced by a group, you can't blame a religion.

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A case could probably be made that the religious climate within Mormonism makes such deviancies more likely than those of other religions. But I'm not really blaming Mormonism, merely pointing out that if it was a ritual rape, religion isn't irrelevant.

 
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