26-02-2005 23:12									#1
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Haven't seen a thread on this so . . .

quote: During his failed campaign last fall against Barack Obama (D) for the Illinois Senate seat, Alan Keyes lashed out at Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Vice President Cheney. Keyes told a radio interviewer that Mary Cheney was a "selfish hedonist." Then, without having been asked anything about his own family, he volunteered that "if my daughter were a lesbian, I'd look at her and say, 'That is a relationship that is based on selfish hedonism.' I would also tell my daughter that it's a sin and she needs to pray to the Lord God to help her deal with that sin."

Well guess what, Al?

Maya, 19, says . . . she is -- "a liberal queer."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2005Feb12.html

	26-02-2005 23:19									#2
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If there is a god, I believe he just stuck it to Keyes in the eye.

	26-02-2005 23:23									#3
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Well, Keyes has pretty much disowned her daughter from what I've seen in the Net, so at least he's stuck to his words.

Oh, Alan Keyes...

	27-02-2005 00:08									#4
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Maya and Mary should start a chapter of Lesiban daughters of Conservative Republicans- might be a rather large group.

	27-02-2005 00:15									#5
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So much for family values.

	27-02-2005 00:18									#6
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Well, after raising a selfish hedonist, you would think Alan might decide to take a better look at himself...

Nah, whom am I kidding? He will blame it all on the "L Word"- that showtiome and its hot lesbian sex!

	27-02-2005 01:46									#7
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Keyes stopped paying for his daughter's tuition because he found out that she's a lesbian. Love the sinner, hate the sin... oh wait.

	27-02-2005 02:14									#8
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Cheney must be a better human being.

	27-02-2005 02:30									#9
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Cheney must be a better human being.

Scary, isn't it? Comparing Cheney favorably to anyone. What a novel experience.

	27-02-2005 02:41									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Cheney must be a better human being.

Maybe Cheney doesn't care about homosexuality as much as Keyes does.

Cheney doesn't strike me as being particularly religious; rather, he seems like the typical corporate whore Republican, a Gordon Gecko type who cares far more for the big business part of the Republican party than the moral values crowd. The big business types are the masters of the party; they just use relgion as a way to get poor conservative people to vote for them, even though Republican economics are against the interests of those poor conservatives.

	27-02-2005 05:52									#11
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yeah I've known this for a while...

Alan Keyes

purely for comic relief

	27-02-2005 08:03									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff Maybe Cheney doesn't care about homosexuality as much as Keyes does. Cheney doesn't strike me as being particularly religious; rather, he seems like the typical corporate whore Republican, a Gordon Gecko type who cares far more for the big business part of the Republican party than the moral values crowd. The big business types are the masters of the party; they just use relgion as a way to get poor conservative people to vote for them, even though Republican economics are against the interests of those poor conservatives.

That is the only reason the Republicans win, populist bigotry. If social issues were not an issue the Republicans would be a dead party, it would be Dems vs. Libertarians, with about 65% of the voters Democrat.

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quote: Originally posted by Admiral Scary, isn't it? Comparing Cheney favorably to anyone. What a novel experience.

Actually, the Evil Leftist Traitors regularly compare Cheney favorably to Bush when it comes to brains.

	27-02-2005 08:13									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Odin If social issues were not an issue the Republicans would be a dead party, it would be Dems vs. Libertarians, with about 65% of the voters Democrat.

The Dems aren't that much different from the Repubs economically. Maybe if they were, social/moral issues wouldn't be such a big deal.

	27-02-2005 08:23									#15
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Oh ****! This just made my day.

	27-02-2005 09:03									#16
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Where is this irony? Keyes didn't just find out his daughter is a lesbian and his reaction is consistent with his opinion of Mary Cheney...

	27-02-2005 09:11									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff The Dems aren't that much different from the Repubs economically. Maybe if they were, social/moral issues wouldn't be such a big deal.

The Dems want a nice, proper welfare state like every other civilized western nation. the Republicans want a Corporate Republic (like the one in CtP).

	27-02-2005 09:22									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Odin The Dems want a nice, proper welfare state like every other civilized western nation. the Republicans want a Corporate Republic (like the one in CtP).

Maybe if they did they could have won on Ohio. The Dems haven't been particulalry strong with job creation; the unions still remember that Clinton was the NAFTA president. Kerry never campaigned for universal healthcare. No one really pushes for more public works/public infra-structure type projectsFrom everything I've observed, the Dems are Republicans-Lite on economics. That makes their economic programs easy targets for Republican candidates, because at least Republicans can use the Tax-cutting rhetoric.

That makes social issues that much more important politically, as that's where the two parties are most different. Thus, I think that the importance of social issues are inlated. If the Dems downplayed their social issues (like Gavin Newsome and his Gay Marriages), while taking economic stances that were clearly inline with the needs of the lower middle class and bottom class people, then the Dems. would win elections. Instead, the Dems try to appeal to the same upper middle class voters to which the Repubs appeal. They ignore/ chastise the lower, rural clases, while the Repubs at least make a social appeal to them. That's why the Dems can't win the Appalachians or Ohio. Unless they change their economic programs, they may lose PA and MI.

If we had a proportional system, a Perot like socially conservative, economically nationalist/populist party would win at least 25-30% of the votes. The reason that most of the swing states are swing states is that neither party adequately fills that need; therefore, parties that don't really fit have to compete to win voters who don't fully buy into them.

	27-02-2005 10:04									#19
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For years the GOP blasted the Dems for spending too much, but all along their rhetoric was deceitful. Reagan never vetoed a bloated budget and now Bush has failed to veto any spending bill - the 2 "conservative" icons were/are very liberal spending other people's money. The "free lunch" mentality wins elections until bankruptcy approaches and that leaves "social issues" which are based on anger and hatred, often religiously inspired - Taliban-lite.

The Dems lean toward socialism and the GOP leans toward fascism. Combine these two and you end up with less economic and personal freedom and political correctness run amok.