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From:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/afric...aths/index.html

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U.N. forces kill 60 Congo militia

(CNN) -- U.N. peacekeepers have killed up to 60 Congolese militiamen in fierce fighting in a lawless region where nine Bangladeshi soldiers were killed last week, according to the U.N.

The deaths occurred during a U.N. air and ground operation on Tuesday northeast of Bunia, the capital of the eastern Ituri province.

The operation was launched by South African, Pakistani and Nepalese troops near the town of Loga. The region is controlled by militia that the United Nations says continues to spread terror and looting.

"It's an ongoing process to put an end to the activitities of these militia," U.N. spokeswoman Eliane Nabaa in Kinshasa told CNN Wednesday, who said that in the aftermath of the operation, it appears that between 50-60 suspected militiamen were killed.

On Tuesday, three militia fighters were arrested in the killings of the nine U.N. peacekeepers on patrol in the same area of the Congo. Floribert Njabu, president of the Nationalist Integrationist Front (FNI), Goda Sopka, also from FNI, and Germain Katanga, from the Patriotic Resistance Forces in Ituri, were all arrested in the Congolese capital of Kinshasa, according to U.N. spokeswoman Stephane Dujarric.

In the Ituri, "these militas are refusing to join the mainstream, and refusing the choice they have to disarm and join the demobilization and the government forces," Nabaa said.

Those killed Tuesday are "potentially militiamen -- we cannot be sure 100 percent," she said. The U.N. and local authorities are investigating.

The nine Bangladeshi peacekeepers were killed Friday in what the United Nations called a premeditated attack in the lawless Ituri region. Dujarric said it was one of the worst single-day incidents in recent peacekeeping history.

It was believed the attack came in response to peacekeepers' efforts to neutralize the militia, which U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard said had been terrorizing locals, looting and carrying out illegal tax collections.

The nine soldiers were taking part in a 21-man foot patrol ambushed about three miles (five kilometers) west of Kafe, said U.N. spokesman Mamadou Bah in Kinshasa.

Brazilian Ambassador to the U.N. Ronaldo Mota Sardenberg, who is serving as the rotating president of the Security Council for the month of March, issued a statement on Wednesday in New York condemning the attack on the peacekeepers.

"The Security Council considers this aggression -- by its intentional and well-planned nature -- to be an unacceptable outrage... and calls upon the government to immediately take all necessary measures to bring to justice the perpetrators," Sardenberg read.

U.N. peacekeepers have been in the Congo since November 1999, but increased their presence in Ituri in May 2003 after ethnic violence increased in the region.

According to the U.N., fighting between the Hema and Lendu tribes in Ituri has claimed more than 50,000 lives since 1999. In addition, 50,000 people have been displaced because of the behavior of militias, Nabaa said. "This has to end."


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I'm just impressed that the UN has actually managed to kill people!

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The UN can't really keep power for itself, so I am both astonished and not at all displeased if it actually manages to assert itself militarily in accomplishing it's goals.

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maybe they do, but in this instance its a good thing. Someone has to restore order to eastern congo, and i dont see who else is going to do it.

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Which Congo are we talking about. Kinsasha or Braziville?


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well, I guess it's a start.

The UN needs a democratic representation from worldwide.
It needs a constitution.
And it needs a standing army.

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well, I guess it's a start.

The UN needs a democratic representation from worldwide.
It needs a constitution.
And it needs a standing army.


And it needs standards.

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Well, let's not get giddy here. I'll bet that a good portion of those 'militiamen' were innocent bystanders.

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quote:
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well, I guess it's a start.

The UN needs a democratic representation from worldwide.
It needs a constitution.
And it needs a standing army.


on all 3

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I'm just impressed that the UN has actually managed to kill people!


Yeah, since when did the UN get guns?

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quote:
Originally posted by Azazel
well, I guess it's a start.

The UN needs a democratic representation from worldwide.
It needs a constitution.
And it needs a standing army.


1. a standing PEACEKEEPING force - maybe. Start small, and see how it goes.

2. Constitution - it HAS a charter. Maybe that needs to be changed. But its not like the EU, that had a complex mess of treaties instead.

3. Democratic representation - how do you do this, when the largest member is not democratic?

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I would support none of those items.

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well, I guess it's a start.

The UN needs a democratic representation from worldwide.
It needs a constitution.
And it needs a standing army.


Exactly

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quote:
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well, I guess it's a start.

The UN needs a democratic representation from worldwide.
It needs a constitution.
And it needs a standing army.


you do mean that all nations have to be converted to democracies first right? How democratic is it when fidel castro or Dear Leader Kim or indeed any unelected governments influence the UN's policies?

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you do mean that all nations have to be converted to democracies first right? How democratic is it when fidel castro or Dear Leader Kim or indeed any unelected governments influence the UN's policies?


You got it!

Your election system needs some fixing, too, so don't get all happy.

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you do mean that all nations have to be converted to democracies first right? How democratic is it when fidel castro or Dear Leader Kim or indeed any unelected governments influence the UN's policies?


You got it!

Your election system needs some fixing, too, so don't get all happy.


I won't be happy until a system is implemented that somehow combines guarenteed basic rights with direct democracy. So of course I'm not happy with voting for voters.

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you do mean that all nations have to be converted to democracies first right? How democratic is it when fidel castro or Dear Leader Kim or indeed any unelected governments influence the UN's policies?


As I said - The UN needs standards. None of the other improvements are worthy of consideration until then.

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I would support none of those items.


damn right

didn't someone in the recent past post a story detailing the shameful excesses of UN troops in eastern congo?

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The rape thread? Some Monuquites were accused of raping local women; I don't know what came of it.

Well, putting some order in the eastern DRC is good.

A standing UN peacekeeper corps would bring some obvious benefits, but since it could presumably only be deployed with the consent of the UNSC, I wonder how cost-effective it would be compared to the present system.

The UN has all the constitution it needs, near as I can tell. Some constitutional reform would be good, tho. Or could be good; I'm half expecting them to give Germany, Japan and India vetoes, further freezing the whole thing.

As for democratization, you can't have any democracy on the world level as long as much of the world is run by dictatorships. It's an undemocratic UN or none at all.

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Yeah, since when did the UN get guns?


Shortly after Canada did.

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What's Nepal doing sending troops abroad with the UN, don't they have problems back at home?

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They're exporting them.

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The Gurkhas are the most valuable export that Nepal has.

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