03-03-2005 16:44									#1
	will 1337 ever intergrate with "proper" english? Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Languages evolve as the new replaces the old, while shakespear gets more difficult for students with each generation. Will the informal usages of 1337 survive the passage of time and become mainstream as people talk with words like LOL? I'm sure I'm not the only one to use terms like pwned in normal conversation, but will the rest of the english speaking world follow?

	03-03-2005 16:54									#2
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Nah, this is like asking if smileys will ever enter the spoken language.

	03-03-2005 17:12									#3
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nah, the sad geeks that use 1337 will obviously never breed to pass on their genes, it'll die off in a generation!

	03-03-2005 17:28									#4
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Hmm, searching for the right phrase to answer with...

Oh yeah. "God Forbid," that's it.

	03-03-2005 17:29									#5
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Otherwise we will be PWN3D!

	03-03-2005 17:40									#6
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A few words of the internet culture will probably become mainstream by the time we grow old. However, since 1337 is mostly a written convention of otherwise regular language (no matter how crap they speak it), you won't hear it too much.

However, the French internet culture promotes horrendous grammar, and it is very likely that horrendous grammar becomes the norm by the time I grow old

	03-03-2005 17:45									#7
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the words leet and pwn and OMG will probably survive

	03-03-2005 17:46									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor A few words of the internet culture will probably become mainstream by the time we grow old. However, since 1337 is mostly a written convention of otherwise regular language (no matter how crap they speak it), you won't hear it too much. However, the French internet culture promotes horrendous grammar, and it is very likely that horrendous grammar becomes the norm by the time I grow old

No, English will be the norm

	03-03-2005 18:07									#9
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Like Kuci said, "lol", "omg" and "teh" will probably survive. "pwned" might not because with it, and many others, there is a pronunciation issue. If it does survive it'd be limited to the internet.

	03-03-2005 18:34									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Elok Hmm, searching for the right phrase to answer with... Oh yeah. "God Forbid," that's it.

You took the words right out of my mouth....

	03-03-2005 19:53									#11
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quote: Originally posted by MORON Languages evolve as the new replaces the old, while shakespear gets more difficult for students with each generation. Will the informal usages of 1337 survive the passage of time and become mainstream as people talk with words like LOL? I'm sure I'm not the only one to use terms like pwned in normal conversation, but will the rest of the english speaking world follow?

how could you use the unpronouncable 'pwned' in a normal conversation? (unless you pronounced it incorrectly )

	03-03-2005 19:59									#12
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I po'und you! po'und!

	03-03-2005 19:59									#13
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I am telling you, there is a proper pronounciation for 'pwn'.

It's the same as the chess piece: "pawn", only used as as a verb.

	03-03-2005 20:02									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I am telling you, there is a proper pronounciation for 'pwn'. It's the same as the chess piece: "pawn", only used as as a verb.

yuck, won't be able to stand seeing the word after 'hearing' such suggestions

	03-03-2005 20:04									#15
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Actually 1337 lingo actually came from the telephone hackers (pre-www), so it has been around for more than a generation and is still growing.

	03-03-2005 20:09									#16
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It's also seeing widespread adoption in World of Warcraft, because it's the only way to speak to the opposing faction in-game due to language barriers and translators.

For example, "|_ 0 |_"

	03-03-2005 20:10									#17
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Wouldn't "pwn" sound like "own", if it was originally a typo on an online multiplayer game? It's pronunciation depends on its origins I'd guess.

	03-03-2005 20:10									#18
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Everyone knows "pwn" is pronounced "pown".

	03-03-2005 20:15									#19
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You've gotta admit that - without knowing that - it's a very weird weird way of saying it.
p+w = po ???

As other's have said, a few words will make, most won't.

	03-03-2005 20:23									#20
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo I po'und you! po'und!

True.

Woot and leet might also survive.

	03-03-2005 20:25									#21
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There are weirder pronounciations in the real English language.

	03-03-2005 20:26									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I am telling you, there is a proper pronounciation for 'pwn'. It's the same as the chess piece: "pawn", only used as as a verb.

only for ashkenazim.

	03-03-2005 20:47									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu True. Woot and leet might also survive.

Woot is probably one I even like. It's a very trendy word though.

Remember "dig".

	03-03-2005 20:53									#24
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Pwn is Welsh for gay anal sex. Be careful what you say people

And no, I sincerely hope these words never infiltrate the English language...

	03-03-2005 21:00									#25
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quote: Pwn is Welsh for gay anal sex.

How do you know this?

	03-03-2005 21:21									#26
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By association, he's been pwnd several times already.

	03-03-2005 21:56									#27
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Some words from the Internet culture will defiitely make it into English. Like the Internet-meaning of "own". However, I dislike the way this leet-speak is used on most boards. Actually, the problem is not so much the leetspeak itself but rather the fact that many people don't even bother to write properly. I mean, completely - tons of spelling mistakes, awful grammar and no capitalization. And yes, these are native English speakers.

	03-03-2005 22:01									#28
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It already is.

I reckon soon people will say lol instead of laughing.

	03-03-2005 22:03									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: Pwn is Welsh for gay anal sex. How do you know this?

Well known fact.

And smilies one day will enter spoken language colon dash close bracket.

	03-03-2005 22:10									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison And smilies one day will enter spoken language colon dash close bracket.