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Lawrence of Arabia is offline Lawrence of Arabia
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So im thinking about starting to inveset in the stock market this summer, because you cant count on social security to cover you. Im looking at making an initial investment between $750 and $1000. Does anyone know a good online trading site? ive looked at etrade, but the cost per transaction is a little high (but they do have all these cool graphs)

im gonna hold onto the stocks for at least 6 months to a year, maybe more. Im also looking at nokia. What do you guys think?

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Got spare money?

sure theyve had some bad news, namely their latest phones have flopped, but i think they might rebound (or i could go to the dark side and invest in ericsson, damn swedes)

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Don't buy Apple stock, it's overvalued.

(seriously)

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hell no, im staying away from those guys. waaaaayy over priced.

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What do you guys think?
Spend it on booze and hookers.

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Put it in a Roth IRA. Either put it in a stock mutual fund or a balanced mutual fund, depending on when you're expecting to need the money (if you're saving for retirement, put it in a stock fund; if you might need the money for a car or something, put it in a balanced fund). I do most of my investing through Vanguard. Be warned that they'll charge you a $10 fee per year for having less than $5000 in a Roth IRA, though.

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There are some sites such as Sharebuilder and BuyandHold that cater to this type of market. Partial shares are AOK.

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If you are in the US, open a Roth IRA is the way to go. Everything that goes beyond your initial investment will be tax-free.

I would invest in mutual funds instead of stocks. With only $1000 to invest, the commission is way too expensive. Speaking of mutual funds, dollar-cost averaging (where you buy something automatically at cetain time intervals to reduce the timing risk) an index fund is perhaps the best approach for novice investors. Actually, 3/4 actively managed mutual funds fail to beat the index. Both Fidelity and Vanguard offer excellent no-load index funds.

If you must invest your $1000 in a stock, perhaps using the Sharebuilder is the best way to go. You can open an account with as little as $100 and only pay $4 for the commission, but you can't trade as actively as other online brokers. Diversification is very important in stock investing since there is absolutely no guarantee that a company won't screw up within next few years. Currently, I like Cisco (CSCO), Berkshire Hathaway (BRKB), Coca Cola (KO), Dell (DELL), General Electric (GE), Home Depot (HD), Johnson Johnson (JNJ), Microsoft (MSFT), Pfizer (PFE), Wal Mart (WMT), and Exxon Mobile (XOM).

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So im thinking about starting to inveset in the stock market this summer, because you cant count on social security to cover you.


Certainly not if the GOP forces us to invest it instead of holding on to it for us. I know I'll screw it up.

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Put it in a Roth IRA. Either put it in a stock mutual fund or a balanced mutual fund, depending on when you're expecting to need the money (if you're saving for retirement, put it in a stock fund; if you might need the money for a car or something, put it in a balanced fund).


im thinking of doing both of those things - i want some for retirement and some of it for later investments (car, house, whatever.) however, $750 - $100 isnt that much, so maybe ill hold off the retirement part and put it in a balanced fund. how much does that investment grow per year usually?

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I would invest in mutual funds instead of stocks. With only $1000 to invest, the commission is way too expensive. Speaking of mutual funds, dollar-cost averaging (where you buy something automatically at cetain time intervals to reduce the timing risk) an index fund is perhaps the best approach for novice investors. Actually, 3/4 actively managed mutual funds fail to beat the index. Both Fidelity and Vanguard offer excellent no-load index funds.


what sort of returns would i be looking at with the mutual funds over say a 6 to one year period?

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sharebuilder looks pretty chill. more hands off, it seems like a pretty easy way to invest, but im starting from pretty much $0, and i wouldnt want to invest each week, I'd rather just do a lump when ive gotten all $1000

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what sort of returns would i be looking at with the mutual funds over say a 6 to one year period?


That depends how the overall market is doing. If you buy at the wrong time, it can take up to 25+ years to just break even. If you time it right, you can double your money in just few years. The problem though is that nobody can consistently time the market right. So the solution lies in dollar-cost averaging where you spread your investment over an extended period.

Here are a few numbers about US stock market returns:

Real Annual Return (after inflation):
1871 - 1925 1.3%
1926 - 2001 2.7%

1946 - 1965 5.2%
1966 - 1981 -4.4%
1982 - 2001 7.4%

After the excess of the late 90s, I believe we are in a pro-longed period of poor returns like the 30s and 70s.

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man there are lots of mutual funds out there, and many of them have negative YTD growth (from 2 to 5%)

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In the late 70s and early 80s there was a certain fellow named John Granville who consistently predicted doom for the US stock market. On August 12 1982, after 18 months (the longest one in post WW2 history) of recession, rampant inflation (short term interest rate at 15%), horrendous unemployment (8+%), and rising Soviet threat (reformist Andropov replaced by hardliner Chernenko), he sent out a major sell signal.

The Dow responded by diving 30 points lower (equivalent to a 400 points drop today), but suddenly reversed in late afternoon and closed 20 points higher. 4 days later, the market followed through with a 5% gain and never looked back again until 1987.

Granville kept sending out sell signals until 1986 when Dow reached almost 2000 points from its low of 750 in 1982. People following Granville would have missed out a 166% gain.

The meaning of the story: never follow other's opinions, be they exuberant pumpers or manic-depressive bashers; always do your own research. If you don't have the time or inclination, dollar-cost average into an index fund. Invest into a stock should take far more time than buying a PC.

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man there are lots of mutual funds out there, and many of them have negative YTD growth (from 2 to 5%)


This year is difficult. But short-term performance is of no big consequence for mutual funds.

If you are interested in actively managed mutual funds, here is my advice on how to select them.

1. Find out what they invest in: large company or small company stocks, growth stocks or value stocks, US stocks or foreign stocks, stocks or bonds, diversified (all industry sectors) or specialized. A well diversified portfolio may look like the following:
US large company stock fund 30%
US mid-sized company stock fund 15%
US small company stock fund 15%
Foreign stock fund 20%
Bond fund 10%
Real estate investment fund 10%

2. Check the fund's management. I prefer managers with long history of managing the fund. Funds with a revolving door on managers are best avoided. You don't have to worry about managers in index funds.

3. Compare this manager's performance vs the category and the index. Yahoo Finance will list up to 11 years of past performance. I consider beating the category 7 out of 10 years very good.

4. The fund's expense ratio. Anything above 1.5% is not acceptable for me.

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oracle looks pretty sweet too

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Scottrade used to let you start an account with only $500. Don't know if they still do. They had a good number of mutual funds availble. But I never really checked since I was just gambling with penny stocks. On regular brokerage companies, stocks like oracle/apple will be hard to buy. They like to sell 100 shares at a time, but you can buy less. The transaction takes a little longer though. I did see a lot of 50 shares trading on scottrade though.

Anyway if you doing this for retirement/savings than a mutual fund is the way to go. I like the unmanaged ones mainly thru vanguard. If you want to have fun and maybe make a killing pennies are the way to go.

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Petroleum stocks. golf stocks, platinium stocks, anything related with high tech defence industries in the states (boeing etc)

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Here are a few numbers about US stock market returns:


That looks like annual appreciation to me, not stock market (total) returns.

Especially pre-depression, a large portion of the total return was in dividends. For total returns, see, e.g., Ibbotson.

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Seriously, it sound like you do not even have a nest egg, but if you are in a secure living condition, your best best for a stable reliable income is to buy a 6 month CD. Which is absolutely no risk of losing any capital.

If you feel like rolling the dice, then mutual funds are the way to go. Find some no-loads and open an account somewhere. Be warned that with investment companies, money talks and bullsizzle walks. In other words, if you don't have some serious funds, they will rape you with fees.

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Seriously, it sound like you do not even have a nest egg, but if you are in a secure living condition, your best best for a stable reliable income is to buy a 6 month CD. Which is absolutely no risk of losing any capital.


yeah. the CD grows at like 2.3%, but with interest rates going up, the rate can get better and better. the problem is the small premium that i have. with $1000, it will increase by $25 max every six months. wouldnt it be better to work that premium larger first, with some riskier investment, and then reinvest a portion of those gains into a stable low risk securiity like a CD.

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Not good for a long term investment, we will be reaching peak oil soon, and that will cause thier stocks to tank. Invest in bio-tech and companies that specialize in renewable energy, especialy bio-fuel.

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know any specific bio tech companies?

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know any specific bio tech companies?


not off the top of my head...

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Yeah, but those are very long shots, at this point. Making a desicion to invest in emerging markets of eastern europeis different though. Their P/E for example, are so much sweet: they're already there, and they're already making money. Russian stocks are even better, though there is a certain element of risk involved.

Israeli stocks are great in the long term, but one shouldn't invest for quick cash in them, since they're currently after a long climb...

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Biotie came first to my mind. Is it good for you, I honestly don't know.

 
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