04-03-2005 06:52									#1
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I don't remember us ever discussing Battle Reports, in the pre-game. I don't think we have needed them yet, but I don't doubt that in the next 10-20 turns *someone* will attack *someone else*.

I know Battle Reports can be a huge issue for some people ... but I think for a major game (like a demo game ... ) they are pretty much mandatory.

Opinions? Opinions on type? (And did we already discuss this? I don't think so, but something's sticking in the back of my head ... )

I suggest mandatory battle reports that are sent to the victim, until all six teams meet (assuming all six survive to meet), at which point a thread is started and all reports posted there. Reports should be details of:
1) all attacks; unit types, starting HPs, ending HPs
2) all ZOC hits or misses (unit types, ending HPs)
3) all Artillery hits or misses (unit types, ending HPs)
4) All city captures, with or without military combat

(ducks)

	04-03-2005 07:46									#2
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Yes, we should have battle reports. They aren't as necessary for regular PBEMs, but they are very helpful in demo games so you can actually figure out what happened, as well as begin planning your own moves based on that battle so you don't have to take so much time when the save actually comes around to you.

	04-03-2005 12:42									#3
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Oh, god
I expected The Horde to be the first involved in a war. Or maybe there are tensions between them and Euphorica?

	04-03-2005 13:08									#4
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 1) all attacks; unit types, starting HPs, ending HPs 2) all ZOC hits or misses (unit types, ending HPs) 3) all Artillery hits or misses (unit types, ending HPs) 4) All city captures, with or without military combat (ducks)

1. Yes, definitely
   
2. Not necessary and hard to track
   
3. In general terms yes ("my 10 Cats took a few HP's off, but some missed"....or "my 10 Cats were damn useless and took off a total of 1 HP because you're in the mountains you coward")
   
4. Yes, definitely

	05-03-2005 01:53									#5
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1. Yes
2. Not a whole lot of info to be gained, but in the interests of completeness it would probably be good
3. And might as well be specific. I'd hope teams will be keeping close track
of their moves, especially combat, themselves anyway.
4. Yep

	05-03-2005 11:28									#6
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By ZOC i mean cavalry shooting at your soldiers as they pass by without engaging ... i don't see how that is any harder than any other sort of attack to track. And they manage ok in PTWDG1 ...

	05-03-2005 11:29									#7
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quote: Originally posted by ormuzd Oh, god I expected The Horde to be the first involved in a war. Or maybe there are tensions between them and Euphorica?

I am not suggesting that I am involved in a war in any way as a part of a team or otherwise. I am simply thinking ahead.

TBH it came from PTWDG1 reading, actually. There was a bit of a battle there a while back I hear...

	05-03-2005 12:45									#8
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The Horde agrees with comprehensive battle reports...

	05-03-2005 18:45									#9
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quote: There was a bit of a battle there a while back I hear...

• The Battle for Fort Stanwix (Lego)
  
• Operation Watergroged, and the Flank at Stanwix (GS)
  
• The Breakout at Stanwix (GoW)
  
• The Battle of Abiline (GS)

I was around during the breakout, and I promise you that those battle reports don't show even one tenth of the effort put into that one turn.


1) all attacks; unit types, starting HPs, ending HPs
2) all ZOC hits or misses (unit types, ending HPs) (I'm to lazy damn you )
3) all Artillery hits or misses (unit types, ending HPs)
4) All city captures, with or without military combat

Last edited by Krill on 06-03-2005 at 21:39

	06-03-2005 21:34									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Krill quote: There was a bit of a battle there a while back I hear... The Battles for Fort Stanwix (Lego) Operation Watergroged, an the Flank at Stanwix (GS) The Breakout at Stanwix (GoW) The Battle of Abiline (GS) I was around during the breakout, and I promise you that those battle reports don't show even one tenth of the effort put into that one turn. 1) all attacks; unit types, starting HPs, ending HPs 2) all ZOC hits or misses (unit types, ending HPs) (I'm to lazy damn you :doitnow! 3) all Artillery hits or misses (unit types, ending HPs) 4) All city captures, with or without military combat

lol

Why are ZOC hits/misses difficult?? If people don't want them then I'm fine with that, but I don't see them as being any more difficult, or any less meaningful, than any other element that I posted above. They're a loss of hitpoints by a unit, just like an attack; and they don't really come up that much except during certain later eras in the game (and a well planned attack will avoid them to a large extent anyway). I mean, they're basically just artillery barrages, just not the head-on type, but from the side ...

	06-03-2005 21:42									#11
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I don't mind doing the hits, but the misses? I don't know all of the circustances under which they happen, so I would not know where them to put them in the report...

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	06-03-2005 22:29									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Krill I don't mind doing the hits, but the misses? I don't know all of the circustances under which they happen, so I would not know where them to put them in the report...

You see it miss, do you not? Guess it's been a little while since i've played a game where they happen, but i thought it's just like artillery - you see a pause, the unit shoots at you, your HP don't go down, and you move on ...

But, hits are better than nothing, too.

	06-03-2005 22:41									#13
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I can't remember seeing any misses...

	07-03-2005 12:50									#14
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Sorry....we haven't reported any of our battles to date.

	12-03-2005 05:31									#15
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Please report them to the offended parties then

	24-04-2005 05:32									#16
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I have been directed here by Sir Paddy, who told me to stop causing debate in the Battle Report thread

I must say I misunderstood snoopy's original proposal. I agree with battle reports, but they should only be communicated with the opposing party. This is in convention with ever one of my other PBEM games, and I see no reason why there should be a special thread reporting battles for all and sundry to witness and from which to glean important military intellignece.

As as I have already stated in the other thread, DR is unlikely to be reporting any battles in the thread. Of course, DR is unlikely to be involved in any battles, so it probably doesn't matter

	24-04-2005 06:56									#17
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Aqua makes a good point. I agree that battle reports should be strictly be between the two parties involved.

	24-04-2005 09:03									#18
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I don't see what the difference is, particularly, except making people forward emails a bit more ... at this point in the game, any battle between two civs is pretty much guaranteed to propogate to all 6 civs ...but I don't see why it matters (for the aforementioned reason).

Why do the PTWDG1 folks not mind the thread I wonder? I think it's more interesting that way, as everyone can see the battles, but if that's not what interests y'all i guess it doesn't matter...

But, I vote for mandatory thread reporting, if others agree with me.

However, you should read the things you agree too.

	24-04-2005 11:09									#19
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having contact with everyone else mens your actions will be known to the other teams if they want. The least thing a defending team could is reaveal this kind of information

	24-04-2005 15:05									#20
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Personally, let the decision to post the battle reports remain with the attacking party. IF the attacking party does not post the battle report, let the defending party post it if they wish.

But the battle reports MUST be sent to afflicted parties.

	24-04-2005 18:17									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Personally, let the decision to post the battle reports remain with the attacking party. IF the attacking party does not post the battle report, let the defending party post it if they wish. But the battle reports MUST be sent to afflicted parties.

I like this proposal.

	25-04-2005 00:33									#22
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I agree; no one should be forced to post battle reports. If neither party cares to make it public, so be it.

	25-04-2005 00:43									#23
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Public battle report *do* make the game more interesting for the bystanders, or the non-members.

	25-04-2005 00:56									#24
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Yes, they do.

However, if a bystander is interested in whatever happens to our team, they are welcome to join us. They would be with us for a long time to come...

Last edited by Krill on 25-04-2005 at 22:30

	25-04-2005 21:23									#25
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I have never seen a ZOC miss being shown in SP game. The unit just goes along it's way as if it wasn't next to a ZOC unit in that case.

We defenately want all attacks, unit types, starting HPs, ending Hps, ZOC hits, artillery hits / misses, and city captures with and without military combat in the order that they occured.

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 1) all attacks; unit types, starting HPs, ending HPs 2) all ZOC hits or misses (unit types, ending HPs) 3) all Artillery hits or misses (unit types, ending HPs) 4) All city captures, with or without military combat (ducks)

	26-04-2005 06:31									#26
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn We defenately want all attacks, unit types, starting HPs, ending Hps, ZOC hits, artillery hits / misses, and city captures with and without military combat in the order that they occured.

And you still want the turns played within 24 hours?

Do you want the names of all the troops involved in the battle too? That might be useful for future reference

	26-04-2005 06:40									#27
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You mean you don't have that information already for your own team?

Battle reports don't kill play times, wars kill play times

	26-04-2005 13:54									#28
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Just an opinion:
reports are the reason I'm delaying playing DG saves sometimes

With detailed reports playing can take 3 hours, without reports - no more than 30 minutes

	26-04-2005 16:38									#29
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and at the moment you have 50 units...?

	26-04-2005 18:11									#30
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Hey Paddy, be nice to that poor old chap