04-03-2005 22:09									#1
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Tabemono are at war with LL, they've taken about 3 cities and raised another.

this message came from Tabemono

quote: PTWDG II Greetings MAST, First of all, allow me to apologise for not getting to you sooner. As you may have guessed, we are now at war with the Latins. This decision was really more a matter of boredom than anything else, and the final 'let's go now' happened rather suddenly. We invite you to join with us in a feast of black bull beef. I believe you will find it most palatable to the taste, and most filling to your hungers... If nothing else, our two teams should be able to show those pathetic monkeys what propoganda is about. Team news: Zargon has taken over as leader of the team. I will be conducting foreign affairs as best I can. You can reach me via PM or Email. My name is SirUlias and I use AOL. I'll be on regularly during the weeks, and sporadically on weekends. Chats will need to be scheduled as they are the only reason I ever go on IRC anymore, I'm not a random chatter... Look forward to working, and eating, with you soon. UnOrthOdOx On behalf of Team Tabemono

Have a look at the save and see what you think....

LL have moved their settler back away from our land, but also didn't accept to send us dyes, they sent a message asking for 150g for 20 turns a few days ago.

So what should we do?

	05-03-2005 23:40									#2
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Ok,

let's go to war with LL then

	07-03-2005 13:58									#3
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Finally!

Sorry about my slow response, I was away skiing over the weekend.

War with LL sounds good

How about them hippies? We could always turn this war into a 2vs2 continental war?

	07-03-2005 19:03									#4
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Maybe wait untill we're done with LL first then hit SS, otherwise we may be too stretched

	07-03-2005 20:43									#5
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Four-handed wars have a nasty habit of becoming 2 v 2 regardless of what anyone wants. I've not seen a screenshot for a very long time, so I'm not sure how map pans out, but aren't SS a long way from being able to help out in an attack on LL? If we can't keep them out of the war entirely, there's not much for them to do except annex a little land from us or Tabemono while we are busy elsewhere. Are they militarily strong enough for that?

	07-03-2005 22:46									#6
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There's a map in the turnthread for this turn.

SS haven't got any millitary to speak of, they don't even have chivalry, we've been strong to them for a long time and have since upgraded loads of units. They might start building units now a war has started but probably not that many, we are supposed to be allied with them so they probably won't feel that threatened...

	09-03-2005 21:11									#7
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I see in the public forum that LL have taken Lolita. Looking at the map, would I be right in guessing that that was one of the towns that Tabemono captured from LL last turn?

Have to feel a little sorry for LL - they may have very defensible lands behind their isthmus, but being stuck there would give them 50-60% of the land of the other teams. But any cities of their beyond the isthmus are going to look like fair game to us and Tabemono.

Well, they can expand on to the other continent now that the monkeys are all but gone (is that Beta's diplomatic and war skills kicking in again ?) But wait, they gifted gunpowder to the monkeys, thus antagonising the other two civs over there. I guess they're basically stuck to their peninsula then.

	10-03-2005 21:24									#8
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Tabemono have re-taken Lolita, not sure how commited they are to the war, whether they're going to try and completely destroy LL or just take all their cities outside of the heart.

Message from LL

quote: Niessuh wrote on 09-03-2005 17:25:20: Dear MAST: Tabemono has struck hard through the coast. Their dinamic riders under our lines are a true bad problem. Also, It's sure that they have a strong alliance with the other continent. If we fall, and we will fall if nobody help us, your civilization will probably be the next. The only hope is an alliance with Sunshine, LL, and you. Of course you are the least interested civ in order to attack Tabemono, but there's a way to compensate this. We just want to keep our heart, North coast could be yours if you can help us defeating Tabemono here. In the future we could provide any resource in case of lacking. Maybe we can give iron right now, if you are interested. Hope you have care of the future Niessuh, LL

and a reply

quote: Latin Lover, Sorry, we have already agreed to join this war on the side of Tabemono. I think it is the best course of action for us to take. Tabemono have too strong an army, they could easily defeat an alliance between you, us and SS. Their millitary is far stronger than ours and ours is stronger than yours and SS have little or no millitary at all.... Also we have important trade deals with Tabemono for 2 luxuries that we cannot do without and have had trade with them for many turns, while we have no trade deals with you. Mast

	11-03-2005 02:16									#9
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Good, only worry now is what SS might be up to. They could have a cedent force of horsies waiting to be upgraded when our forces are away.

	14-03-2005 21:40									#10
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How much should we commit to this war?

Or to put it another way, what are our objectives going to be? Are we aiming to push LL back behind their isthmus (we'd have a hard time taking the isthmus I suspect)? Do we want to grab a few towns in the jungle and let Tabemono take on most of the fighting? Do we want to commit to an all-out wa rof destruction vs LL?

I'd be in favour of simply taking a few towns and pinning LL back. Tabemono obviously think they can do okay on their own with this war, so we should just be opportunistic. Take some territory and defend it (and begin to develop it). Let Tabemono take the heavy losses (if there are any to be taken). It will be a bloodbath attacking past Perla. Tabemono will presumably go that far on land and then attack by the sea if they are interested in invading LL proper.

We should look to plant a city in the unclaimed jungle between Mirkwood, Yocasta and Perla (and our coastal town G that I can't read off the map. Capturing Yocasta would be nice but we'd need to give an ROP to Tabemono to avoid getting in their way. Maybe plant another city in the hills NW of Wife City.

Then we just defend ourselves, and see how things go. If Tabemono start doing too well, we can consider backstabbing them. It doesn't look healthy for us if they do too well vs LL. Plus we need to defend against Sunshine attack.

Remember, our ideal war is one where we get easy territory, and LL and Tabemono destroy huge quantities of units for very little gain to either of them.